Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Epitome990, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Icke

    Icke Member

    Mar 15, 2009
    Kölle, Germany
    Club:
    FC Köln
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Burnout prevention,very good. Thanks for all the provided information this season,appreciate it
     
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  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Richter again scores to make it 2-0. Danish blunder allowed him in to score a solo goal, very well done on his part.

    from that XI, this U21 could do good to Richter, Baumgartl, and Oztunali in terms of finding better clubs.
     
  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    we need to score more and keep a clean sheet. Goal differentials could be huge. Austria have 3 pts and +2.
     
  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
     
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    so far MOTM is Richter.

    GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Richter assists Waldschmidt to make it 3-0. Nice final pass for the counter goal, made the goal look so easy in the 1v1. Good to see our main striker score as well.

    Also massive as now we got 3 pts and GD +3.

    remainder what Kuntz said on Richter.
    Richter made his debut for Stefan Kuntz’ team in September 2018 and has been invited to every training session since. Previously, he made one appearance for the U20 team in 2017. “Marco is a good example of the fact that a player doesn’t necessarily have to make their way up through every youth team in order to become a valuable player for the national team once you hit the U21 age,” said Kuntz. “He has taken a big leap forward this past year and has really improved through the game experience he has picked up with FC Augsburg.”



    remains me of that one Augsburg game where he dribbled past players, fell and still assisted.

    if he continues like this Richter will have clubs knocking down on Augsburg's door.
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    booo Baumi, wth was that giving Denmark a PK for them to make it 3-1.:rolleyes:
     
  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    FT 3-1 win. Good start, should have kept the clean sheet and scored more.

    1-Germany 3 pts
    2-Austria 3 pts
    3-Serbia 0 pts
    4-Denmark 0 pts

    U21 is a tough tourney only group winners make SF and the best runner up team from all 3 groups as well. A loss could be a huge setback for any team in making the SF. Always wondered why they don't make it 16 teams instead of 12? To allow some minnow countries to host?
     
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  8. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Excellent win
     
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  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah, although it was good to see us aggressive, I felt the players went overboard. Picking up 2 yellows and also giving away too many corners and free kicks. The PK from Denmark came from aggressive defending. Maier came off at 46th min and replaced by Neuhaus due to him picking up a yellow in 1st half.

    next up is Serbia who have a do or die game. Should put pressure on them. And I'm surprised that Real Madrid bound striker 97-Jovic is part of their U21 squad. How big of a role will he play vs us on Thursday?
     
  10. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Agree, we were careless in some situations, i think we will pick the intensity and concentration levels up as we progress, yes jovic is certainly one to keep a eye on
     
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  11. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    but we really are lucky that we avoided Spain/Italy in Group A and France/England in Group C. As defending Champs and being Germany there is no excuse if we fail to get out of this group.

    but the team should be able to play better in Game 2, after all this is a more new XI. There were a bunch of games where Kuntz was playing 0 wingers. Pretty much 4 midfielders and 2 strikers uptop.
     
  12. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Which is the team to beat
     
  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    MUST RESIST! Will be easier next 2 days since I won't log in.:p

    Abouchabaka update.
    On the other hand, Elias Abouchabaka will have his lactate levels tested on the cloverleaf on Monday. The loaner from RB Leipzig had not always been satisfied last season. Therefore, there was a small question mark behind his return. The shamrock wanted to keep him - as originally planned - for a second year as a loaner. Now Abouchabaka has apparently befriended the idea - and will hope for more second division mission times.
    https://www.nordbayern.de/sport/kleeblatt-arbeitet-an-transfer-kehrt-mavraj-zuruck-1.9011076

    from a fan response from TM
    "Well, from his point of view, the first professional year was more like a year of apprenticeship, normal at this age despite advances. This season he should - especially when Omladic is gone - offer more, then he should quite often get his mission times. Let's see how he beats in the preparation."

    Pretty much what I said, this 2 year loan was more about getting match practice in RL (which is better than playing U19) with a few 1st team games in Year 1, which he got 3 and did get injured in one of them which cut his playing time.I watched all 3 of Elias's games this season and he impressed in all 3, even vs Dortmund in the German Cup, did not look out of place. The real issue is that Furth barely survived 2BL last season and the one before, that is why integration is more difficult. But hope he impresses in training and cements himself as a starter. Not only that head honchos at Furth are very high on him, they want to develop him.

    -meanwhile Fein seems headed for another 2BL loan, with all the interest he's going to HSV. Seems like no buying clause. So what in 2020-2021? Bayern 1st team chances? Or a 1BL loan? Seems like he could follow the Neuhaus path. The U21 year in 2021, in 1BL.


    -99 Tim Sechelmann joins Koln II from Dortmund II
    -00 Ahrend joins Furth II from Schalke U19
    -RL club confirms their hero player striker 98-Sen is leaving
    -Seems to be a Hertha II exodus this Summer
    -98 Paul Grauschopf goes from 1 3rd Liga club to another as he joins Unterhaching.

    -99 Can Hayri Ozkan with an extension with 2BL AB and headed for a loan to RL club Aachen. Yikes another RB option who goes to lower level. At this rate I expect 00-Beyer will play next U21 cycle as RB and then need for Passlack and Amade to be playing at a higher level, otherwise, it's a problem position.


    -Looks like there really is a HSV youth exodus. As 99-Opoku goes on loan to 3rd Liga.


    Seriously would have posted 0 if it weren't for Daferner and Abouchabaka updates.:laugh:

     
  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I had Italy (also hosts) as team to beat. They played very well vs us in a recent friendly and they have very interesting up and coming youngsters.They also defeated Spain as well.

    and then whoever wins the C Group whether France or England, both have interesting squads. Hard to choose could end up close or not.
     
  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #140 Ger90, Jun 17, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2019
    1st kid in pic is a 01.


    -a 02 player raised up to the pros in 3rd Liga, already, seems like 02-Niklas Lang is being moved up

    Now the name is officially known. It is the 17-year-old center-back Niklas Lang, who also likes to be used in the defensive midfield.

    Who is Niklas Lang?
    The 1.82m long is fast, good for the ball and good in a defensive duel. In addition, he is characterized by a high fighting spirit. After Lang suffered a meniscal and cartilage injury in 2017, causing him to be out of action for 14 months, he fought back into the U16 squad. His achievements were so good that he pulled him prematurely into the U17. Although other clubs were interested in the young talent, the TSV could bind him 1860 Munich and now offer him a perspective.
    https://loewenmagazin.de/niklas-lang-aus-der-u17-verstaerkt-die-abwehr-des-tsv-1860-muenchen/

    there were a bit more 3rd Liga updates. But that's all folks.
     
  16. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Richter played very very well.

    Dahoud and Maxi Eggestein were the unsung hero of the game. Kept pressing and won many possessions back for the team. So much energy and coveraged provided in the midfield.

    Nmecha should be used as a plan B.

    We were lucky to have two chances from counters, Oztunali provided some physical aspects up front even as a right forward, but the positions of those front 3 is interchangable throughout the match.

    Henrichs is still the weakest link imo, shouldve used Mittelstadt
     
  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    only posting this.

    The future of youth football in Germany
    German football has an issue at youth level. Next week, a decision will be made on the reforms that could be suggested. There is an approach that could revolutionize the country's approach to youth football.

    Next week, the DFB's committee will decide on reforms across the country, with a particular focus being put on the issues at the youth level of football. After a shocking World Cup in Russia and a surge in the transfer market towards foreign players who possess strong dribbling ability, Germany has finally recognized the time to act. A solution is set to be put into place, but the concept has already been met with resistance.

    Funiño, or as the DFB are keen to call it "Mini-Fußball" could revolutionize the way youth football is played, increasing the enjoyment of all young players as well as improving the likelihood of more individual talents reaching the top. Professor Matthias Lochmann, a Fußball-Lehrer (Germany's highest coaching badge) and a man with two PhDs, is at the forefront of this change. Lochmann's work at the Friedrich-Alexander University Erlangen-Nürnberg (FAU) has enhanced the idea of Horst Wein, one of the great football minds who sadly passed in 2016 aged 75. The project that started with 56 kids in a village is set to be played by two million kids across Germany this summer.

    More goals, more fun

    The base concept is two teams of three trying to attack and defend two mini goals on a small pitch (eight to nine of these games can be played on one standard football pitch). Each team has one sub and every time a team scores the sub must replace a teammate. Goals can only be scored inside an attacking area and there are always three balls waiting on the side of the field to be used for the restart. Instead of leagues, games would be played at ‘festivals' where teams compete against each other on the day. The game can of course gradually be expanded to four on four and then five on five, but there's a strong argument to be made that the three-on-three format is where the game truly shines.

    After three years of testing, Lochmann's idea is set to change German football completely. The positives of the format are plentiful. Young kids play more often, they're exposed to one-on-one situations more often and naturally get more touches of the ball. With no offsides, corners or throw-ins there are far more moments where players are forced to decide how to move the ball around. Best of all though, it gives all players a chance to do what everyone who plays football at that age wants to do - score goals. Fewer kids drop out due to a lack of playing time or a lack of fun. It removes the fixation on positions and removes the over, and sometimes damaging, influence of coaches on kids that young.

    Stubbornness comes a price

    If this approach is introduced, and the signs look good, it will be in place for the start of next season. It will be offered not as a replacement to the current format but as an alternative. Roughly speaking that means kids aged 5-9 will have the chance to play Funiño, with those from 10 upwards moving onto a game with two goals and a goalkeeper. Bundesliga head coaches Julian Nagelsmann and Sandro Schwarz are both fans.

    Despite the many positives though, the sheer suggestion of such an alternative has already been met with opposition. Germany's stubbornness at the top level has, once again, reared its ugly head. There's a suggestion that goalkeepers would be left out, and that the current tactical knowledge of young players would be lost, swinging the scales too far in favor of individualization. And that's before the pressure, from clubs and parents, is considered.

    Lochmann is frustrated by the spread of misinformation. The game does allow for elite development, which would mean a stronger focus on a specific position, such as goalkeeping. There is also the option to adapt the game to include a goalkeeper. In that format, shots are allowed from the halfway line and the player in the keeper position is swapped out after every game. If applied to the game designed for the small goals the result is five times the amount of action for the keeper than in the usual seven-on-seven format that is currently in place. On top of that, kids are taught how to anticipate, command the area and be involved in the game. And in truth, a little less tactical knowledge in exchange for a bit more individual skill wouldn't be a bad thing for German football. It's about time the country started developing their own Jadon Sancho again, rather than having to go out and buy them.

    DFB to acknowledge the problem?

    Some aspects of the rigidness that cost Germany a successful World Cup in Russia remain though. While the failure at the tournament was good for opening ears, it might not open enough doors. Football remains a clique for a special group of connected men. Question marks remain about the amount of knowledge and flexibility in the key positions. The lack of professionalism at local association level is also a concern, which is particularly problematic when it comes to pushing through such reforms because change can come faster if it is controlled by local associations.

    Lochmann, who is in danger of being ignored by the German FA for his work in starting this revolution, wants Germany to recognise the dust it needs to shake off. It needs to be brave, embrace innovation rather than chase it, and recognize that too often conservatism is holding Germany back.

    That starts with the DFB. The world's largest sports federation in the world with nearly seven million members and 25,000 clubs needs to ask itself who and what it stands for. If 99.6 percent of the football players in the country are not professional then why does so little money flow back into the amateur game? And why are such reforms so hard to push through? The choice to implement Funiño would be an answer in favor of the country's children and the increased fun they would have playing one of the most popular sports in the world. That seems like the best place to start.

    https://www.dw.com/en/the-future-of-youth-football-in-germany/a-49231568
     
  18. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Take a break and stick with it. You deserve it
     
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  19. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    France look strong, totally dominant against england second half, missed 2 penalties
     
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  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    such a bizarre game, England the better team could have trashed France. But at the same time, France won the game, 2-1, could have trashed England had they scored their 2 missed PK. England getting a red card ruined the game though. And the French goals were very poor GK from England and poor defending for the own goal to win the game.

    Group C
    1-Romania 3 pts GD +3
    2-France 3 pts GD +1
    3-England 0 pts GD -1
    4-Croatia 0 pts GD -3

    would love to see Romania surprise everyone and win the Group. Also anyone else notice how England have been poor in Youth Tourneys post U17 WC and U20 WC double wins in 2017?
     
  21. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes biggest problem in English football is not the talent but the coaching, the coaches are tactically inept
     
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  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    people always say that but let's face it, our youth coaches are also bums and terrible. And even failures like Meikel Schonweitz, you know what he got after his tactically ineptness got the 99 group to fail to make U19 Euro and U20 WC? He got promoted, lol. The whole DFB is run by bums from ex President Grindel to the bottom. We rarely get any good coaches. Low almost blundered winning any trophies with a golden generation. It was them who won it not himand so many stupidities in past Euros and WCs as well. If Kuntz does well this Summer in U21, could end up being the rare successful dfb coach.

    It's funny how 2 rich countries in England and Germany are run by incompetence. Germany was always known for hard work, efficiency and ruthlessness. Yet what do we get, bums who sit on their laurels and set back the program by years. Instead of being always ahead of the curve.

    Makes me laugh that now the dfb rates dribbling, 1v1, individuality for example, lol. Those skills were always important to have, why neglect those for years just for the sake of tactics, obsessed with playing like Spain and the neverending pass that will eventually lead to scoring. Those same things is also why are players lack physicality, when all they did was pass and avoid duels.

    well good news is that we are still producing dribblers and once they improve training that number will only increase.
     
  23. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes, and once the dfb academy is up and running then alot more talent will be polished off
     
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  24. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #149 Ger90, Jun 18, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2019
    there is still lots of talents and interesting players in Germany coming up in younger age groups. The big issue is the lack of integration.

    Used to be players were actually allowed to play and dev. Now all the excuses in the world about how they aren't ready. Or how clubs rate players openly yet then to proceed to buy players same age or older but same positions.

    Just recently 2 1BL coaches admitted that they want players with real experience meaning min 2BL (and even 1 season might not 100% convince them). And these are from smaller clubs too.It's an issue when coaches don't want to integrate U19-3rd Liga players. It's why any 1BL loan to 3rd Liga is rubbish. And why it's been harder for integration when they can just buy youngsters from minor 1st division with pro experience and ignore our players.

    also the issue that a good amount of our players get injured so easily and delay their careers. On top of the whole getting a degree in school also affects pro careers.
     
  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    those 2 coaches seem to be Union Berlin and Fortuna's coaches. I mean when your smaller clubs also have a threshold, makes it a lot harder for youngsters with 0 experience.

    if one notices there are a lot of 2BL loans or permanent transfers (with buyback) happening this season. Kind of telling. Not a horrible thing to rejuvenate 2BL but kind of sucks tbh. With all the youth strikers going to 2BL would love to see them dominate the scoring table.:D Speaking of those strikers that's a discussion for another day...

    and other smaller clubs want experience because every season they fight possible relegation. It's why loans or they make players play 2-3 years in RL. Richter from this U21, played 3 seasons in RL before getting 1st team chances......Makes me wonder how long before 00 striker Malone get real 1st team chances or loan?
     

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