Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Epitome990, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Uh, what Fein will add that Thiago or Kimmich lack? Seriously better for Fein to move to other club. He gonna waste his time at Bayern, the gap of level is too big.
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    if your talking about midfield battle those 2 are dwarfs. Although I don't think he would be regular starter at Bayern if he goes there next season more alternative, Bayern does play 3 competitions, so there might be a need.

    it would be better for him to go elsewhere and there is interest but Bayern extended believing in his potential, Hasan and the club does rate him and he born in Munich wants to make it at Bayern.

    best solution for now is train with Bayern 1st team in Summer and if HSV get promotion, currently in 2nd place, reloan him there next season in 1BL, get some 1BL experience. HSV could be best place due to him likely being direct XI. And HSV seems interested in getting him again too.

    it sucks that he might need 3 consecutive loans. Although in future that won't be necessary due to II being in 3rd Liga. When Fein went on loan for 1st time last season to 2BL, Bayern II was in RL only.
     
  3. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I don't think Thiago and Kimmich need bigger build to dominate midfield. Kimmich is quite new with his new position, but with his passing range and ability to read the play, he will become better. As for Thiago, he is strong defensively and with tactical nous to dominate midfield battle. And honestly speaking even N'Golo Kante is quite small but he is one of the best in his business.

    It is very tough to try to break in starting XI in Bayern. Not only for Fein but look what happen to OBM. Bayern already had some quite enormous lead in some of games this season and OBM barely play at all even for the last 3-5 focking minutes. We keep seeing Cuisance being subbed in. It is infuriating and I surely know how the younger player feels. So why don't reconcile with this fact and try to build career outside Bayern.
     
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  4. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I hope it won’t take too long for Wirtz to convert into a winger

    in a 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 (one 6 and two 8s) setup, there isn’t a place for a natural 10

    it might take more than 1 season tho
     
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    he might not bench them but you still need alternatives with 3 competitions. Can't only rely on 2 players and if injured you run into trouble. So in that sense it does make sense and Martinez seems headed out whether 2020 or 2021....But for Fein sake playing some 1BL in XI in another club also makes sense. It's tricky and we have to wait and see what they decide is best for the player.

    for OBM yeah it sucks that Flick wastes time on that bum Cuisance. I'm not sold on Flick playing youngsters either. In Winter, he wanted job so he only cared about winning and he wanted like 3-4 new transfers in numerous positions. That is not someone intent on integrating in short term......transfers=long term aka 4-5 season contracts. Than again he wanted like 4 new players in Summer but due to Corona it might only be 2 new players (one RB it seems). It's nice and all that youngsters are allowed to train but not convinced they will be used outside of irrelevant games. If Bayern get Sane and then Perisic/Countinho make deals for one or both to comeback, then next season the youngsters will be nothing but back ups only. We've seen tons of clubs backup is usually unused bench. Their next shot to be part of the squad if you exclude loaning might be 2021. Someone like Mai who's always unused will likely not be trusted and will need a loan. Less and less clubs trust inexperienced cbs as making errors could cause results.
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    17-year-old has huge potential
    Exceptional talent Wirtz - "At least one player in the Havertz category"

    Jakobs: "Florian Wirtz can do everything"
    Florian Wirtz will probably never forget the game in the Weser Stadium. At 17 years and 15 days, the youngster made his Bundesliga debut last Monday. Although he has hardly had any professional experience, experts already see a great future. Jörg Jakobs, former sports director and junior manager of 1. FC Köln, thinks great things about the 17-year-old: “Flo can do everything, has enormous wit, strong technique, incredible game intelligence, is fast on the ball, can dribble - and everything with fire. If he stays healthy, he's at least a Havertz category player. ”

    What exactly distinguishes Wirtz? "The combination of potential and extreme will is extremely rare. I have rarely seen an offensive player who works so well backwards, although he could rely on his offensive strength. He has the gene to want to win the defensive duels. That makes him a complete player, "explains Jakobs:" Such a player is a gift for every club. He just wants to play football. "

    The youth head of the DFB, Meikel Schönweitz, has a very high opinion of the youngster: “Flo is a very fine footballer. A creative midfielder who is ball-sure and has solutions ready. He anticipates many situations before they arise. Due to his good orientation and his game intelligence, he has a head start on movement. In combination with his good first contact and excellent ball handling, this is a strong package. "And adds:" He is a fine, determined guy who knows where he wants to go. "

    In addition, the 17-year-old can also use his team-mate in Leverkusen to find out how to cope with the media hype. Optimal conditions for a great future. The next few years will show whether Wirtz actually has the potential that numerous experts already attest to.
    https://www.kicker.de/776134/artike...mindestens_ein_spieler_der_kategorie_havertz_
     
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  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -97 GK Bruggemeier seems to be leaving Paderborn to get higher level experience while Paderborn seems to have picked up 01 GK Moritz Schulze from Leipzig U19. I recall Schulze even won best GK at a tourney when he's the #2 GK at Leipzig U19. Played a lot this season due to 02-Schreiber being injured for awhile. Well good for him he impressed enough to land a new club.

    -01 RB Asta who is the youngest Augsburg debutant ever, update on his injury status. Seens headed for 1BL too.
    https://fcaugsburg.de/wns/asta-das-ist-ein-ansporn-weiter-hart-an-mir-zu-arbeiten/
     
  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    02-Samardzic also attracting interest from Barcalona. Seems like all the biggest club in Germany, Spain, Italy and England are interested in him.
     
  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hertha U17 CB 04-Gechter playing up his age group has stated that he's 1.87m and that he thinks Hadziavdic is the best 04 CF after Moukoko. Might be some teammate bias there, lol.

    Hertha has some interesting 04s, in Kade, Yildirim, Hadziavdic, Gechter all performing vs older players and all viewed as top talents.


    on a 04 CF note, Kojic at Schalke U17's stats so to be, 10 goals and 11 assists in 21 games according to Schalke fans. Whereas TM's stats aren't updated like a ton of other players.
     
  10. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Barcelona play with 433 (1 DM in Busquest and two “8s” in De Jong and Arthur) , they don’t play with a “10” in midfield

    Atlético Madrid play with 442. Two DMs in the middle. They never really play with a “10” either. Unless they try to convert Samardzic into a supporting striker. But they have Felix there

    Juventus play 433. Also a DM (Pjanic) with two 8s (Bentancur and Matuidi) . They don’t play with a 10 either. Even their ex-coach Allegri mostly play with 433, doubt a “10er” is mainly used in Juve.


    The fact is , there are more teams playing with 433 and 343. Elite teams want three midfielders , rather than 2 midfielders and one AM who isn’t good at defending. It’s a game about midfield battle. They always wanna our number your team in midfield

    Liverpool, Real Madrid, PSG, Juve, Barca, Dortmund... all play 433 or 343. This can be a trend and a big concern to the new 10ers




    10er is not a popular position anymore , in fact, quite the opposite

    I think all transfer rumours are fake nowadays. Financial consideration should be put into account
     
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  11. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Moukoko, Kabadayi, Semin Kojic, Kenan Hadziavdic and Keke Topp.

    Ricardo Wagner, Nelson Weiper, Samuel Unsöld, Dzenan Pejcinovic, Anthony Opetha

    some interesting centre forwards from the 2004-2005
     
  12. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lazar Samardzic can now also run. I'm very happy for him. Is a technically incredibly talented mix of eight and ten, very creative, with a lot of playfulness. One of the greatest talents in Germany. #BSCFCU
     
  13. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I am rather worried about the 10ers we have from the younger generations: Samardzic, Wirtz, Laurin Ulrich and Umut Tohumcu

    Other than handful of teams which play 4231 (numbers also decreasing) .... its a worrying trend

    Tohumcu can play a bit of right winger and maybe Wirtz too. But Samardzic isn’t defensive enough as an 8 and not fast enough as winger. Hertha, Beyern and Leverkusen still play with 10er now, but I think things will only change in future
     
  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    according to Augsburg.de, Dzenan Pejcinovic was called up by Montenegro U15 during the season for friendly tourney in October 2019.

    fact is everyone knows who the duals are these days....
     
  15. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Havertz can also run, but he was awful as an 8 too

    the fact is teams like Liverpool, Barca or PSG have three very defensive oriented midfielders to win those midfield battles

    when u play with one 6 and one 8 , they have to cover the 10 ... giving the other two midfielders extra pressure. if they want a more natural 8, they will play an 8.... other than 4231 I don’t see Samardzic being a regular starter in any other formation.

    He is more of a 10/winger than 10/8.

    there is no coincidence that natural 10 are being obsolete.
     
  16. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I can show u the conversation between me and Pejcinovic

    he will be called up by DFB, according to himself . And he said he prefers to play for DFB . If he is relevant , DFB will call him up.

    Preliminary call up or capping is a non-factor nowadays. After all, it’s all about the final call-ups.

    they are always willing to switch back to DFB (Demirbay, Nmecha, Glatzel) .. but of coz if they aren’t relevant to us, they can’t make the switch back to DFB. DFB need a national pool of around 45-50 players, anymore if they can’t compete at top level... don’t think they are relevant. More options is not alwys

    he didn’t play much in last one or two years. He was forced out by Ricardo Wagner because they play at the same club .
     
  17. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If there is another position Samardzic can play other than 10, maybe winger

    he can’t cover 8. The other “6” will have big issues

    Very concerning if there are more new coaches who don’t like to play with a 10er.
     
  18. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Dinkci was never capped provisionally by Turkey. And I disagree 100% about caps not being important. It means you have less options at youth levels, if they are tied to other FAs. And other FAs will call up a player to permanent cap faster than dfb ever would. And dfb showed interest in more than one player and those players rejected dfb and continued playing for other countries. Some players choice is who calls them 1st.

    and let's be honest, Nmecha is dumb (not to be mean) and so are his agents. Goes to dfb thinking there is no competition but he can't score to save his life and he ignores all the guys from 98-onwards. He even closed door on Nigeria, it's dfb or bust and currently he's nowhere near senior NT. And he's losing time as the younger cf become eligible for pros. Any player who switches at youth is dumb.

    Demirbay switched to dfb senior team but also dumb and amounted to nothing too. He's embarrassing, talking about he really wants to play for Turkey and then jumps ship at 1st dfb call up and it amounts to nothing.
     
  19. Dsky

    Dsky Member

    Jul 21, 2019
    Hey Ger90,
    Actually "Lazar Samardzic darf nun auch ran" means that now Lazar Samardzic is now allowed to play (for the First Team). It's a bit of "German Slang".

    P.D I really like your Posts. Keep goin!
     
  20. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    not talking about youth level because at the end only senior cap matters in cap tying a player

    In a good year, Bundesliga have maybe 8-10 breakouts in a season. Majority of Players are interested in playing for DFB, so 8-10 per season is absolutely manageable for DFB to call them back .
     
  21. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Ger90 is the one who keep this forum afloat. I try my best to contribute as we all need to do too. However it amazes me how this guy got all those information and become purveyor of German youth NT info. I suspect he sold all those information to club scout :D sneaky bastard :cool:
     
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  22. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Agree 100%. The guy keeps this forum going. So much youth football knowledge. Reading his posts is very educational.
     
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  23. Dsky

    Dsky Member

    Jul 21, 2019
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  24. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Good performance from Florian Wirtz ...

    Kid is a special talent. Very good hustle and first touch ...

    He isn’t physical , yes, but he has a wide frame and reasonably bulky for a 17 year old
     
  25. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Member

    May 21, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    just need more time to play
    that few mins amazes , he made something like pre assist
    Idk wtf Bosch doing with playing Amiri on the right flank instead of him
     
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