Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

LOL, 2 Koln REJECTS!!!!!




For FC fans, Bisseck has long been a hot topic. Supporters repeatedly criticize the fact that the club did not recognize his talent.

With Markus Anfang, Achim Beierlorzer, Markus Gisdol and Steffen Baumgart, there were four coaches who did not want to give the central defender a chance. Yann Bisseck (17/now 24) is the youngest FC player in history

Even four managers probably didn't see enough in Bisseck: Armin Veh, Horst Heldt, Jörg Jakobs and Christian Keller. After loan spells in Kiel, Roda Kerkrade (Netherlands) and Vitoria Guimaraes (Portugal), Keller finally sold Bissek to Aarhus (Denmark) for around 700,000 euros.

Bisseck took off and moved to Inter in 2023. He is a regular player there and, as a top star, has a market value of 25 million euros.

While FC can only mourn his loss...




Bisseck does slap in face to Koln, YIKES!!!!
After the final whistle, when asked how and whether he followed FC, he answered quite dryly: “Not actively.”

 

2BL S04 want to extend contract of 05 M Gruger+06 RB Bulut who both brokethrough XI this season regularly!!!!

► In principle, both can imagine a future at Schalke. But if the crisis-ridden club does not return to the Bundesliga in the medium term, they may want to take the next step in their careers somewhere else. This is especially true for Bulut, who is in great demand as a defensive all-rounder.
https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...schalker-top-talente-6759e3a3f1593e25f5ce459b

I mean RBs and LBs are ALWAYS in demand, so when clubs see that players like
05-Baum and 06-Bulut are regulars XI in 2BL and performing there will be interest. But due to fact that Baum is on loan from 1BL Frankfurt, clubs can't pounce on him.

RBs in 2BL
02-Hofmann, 02-Allgeier, 02-ter Horst, 02-Thielmann, 04-Ba, 05-Baum, 06-Bulut are the regulars who are either fixed XI or played a LOT of XIs this season.

then 04-Oliveira and 07-Pedrossa having sub chances.

 

next 08 in pros as 08 M Is makes pro bench debut today!!!

In den Kader gearbeitet 🙌

Das erste Mal steht Ebu Bekir Is heute in der Auswahl der @eintracht-Profis 🦅#SGE pic.twitter.com/c3lIBroSiE

— Eintracht Frankfurt NLZ (@eintracht_lz) December 12, 2024

 

05 W Negele makes his pro debut for 1BL Heidenheim in European play. Needs a loan they got no II team so is basically used for sake of "homegrown" crap.

⏰ 62. Min.: Direkt im Anschluss der Wechsel Föhrenbach für Maloney und Negele(🔁 Scienza) mit seinem Profidebüt für den FCH!

⚽️ #NurDerFCH #ISTFCH #HoirnaInternational 2:1

— 1. FC Heidenheim 1846 e. V. (@FCH1846) December 12, 2024

 

Bayern continues to show what a trash club it is.
-Example 1,
Bayern rated 05 AM/W Wanner more than 05 AM/W Yildiz. Yildiz bails to Juventus last season and breakthrough 1st team super fast and now regular XI.....Wanner last season gets 2BL loan and now gets loaned out to mediocre 1BL club and they want another 1BL loan and has interest from Bayer, Stuttgart, Frankfurt etc. But clubs like Bayer would likely reject loan and would want outright purchase.

compare, 1 breakthrough top club without issue while another goes on 3 years of loan....and then Bayern want Wirtz and will likely block him anyways...........so stupid.

-Example 2,
players like 08 W Wisdom and 08 AM/W Karl perform with ease in U19 when given chance but mostly rotting in U17. Others from U17 could easily play U19 too.....while TONS of 08s are already playing in U19.....they block their own talents for lesser talents and to prop up the u17.

look at Frankfurt's 08 M Is, he plays U19 and has 2 caps in RL for Frankfurt II. Frankfurt is already playing 08s in RL...........as 08 CF Staff has also played RL too. Maybe some others I'm missing too.

so this shows that RL is actually now OPEN to 16 y/o........

Coach Dino Topmöller said of the talent Bekir Is, who has been training with the pros for some time, at the press conference before the game: "He has performed well in training over the last few weeks. That is a bit of a reward. We are happy that we can take him with us."


WTF kind of club is this??? LMAO.

 

05 CF Weiper is back fit again!!!

Siegerteam! 😄#Mainz05 pic.twitter.com/JUyZFhALVq

— 1. FSV Mainz 05 (@1FSVMainz05) December 12, 2024

 

Great news! Would be awesome to see him stay fit and get full integration and add to his 2 1BL goals from a couple of years ago, shame last year was basically a write off due to injury.

 

Knauff scored to give Frankfurt lead away v Lyon (now 1-1). Nice finish.

https://dubz.co/v/6bc747

 

yeah, I really hope he NEVER goes on loan and gets full integration. Has the whole package and skillset to breakthrough 1BL as well. Still has half a season to hopefully make an impression this season and go full on breakthrough next season.


speaking of CFs, 04 CF Tresoldi has said that
with 2BL H96 he puts a SHIT TON of pressure on himself for the club but for Germany U21 he plays all freely and wants to loosen up, LOL. Explains why he's pretty good for Germany but has had some wall hitting this season but has been picking it up recently.

 

Looks like we are getting our 4th 07 M who is making pro progress.

-1BL=Schmitz, Swider
-2BL=Lum, Engelns

on 07 M Swider of 1BL Gladbach, reports of pro contract next month now coach talking about how he's on track for potential pro bench debut.

"That is absolutely an issue," said the trainer when asked whether the 17-year-old could be nominated for the next game. "We always try to have a good training group. With Julian Weigl's suspension and Florian Neuhaus's absence, we are missing two central midfielders."

The current personnel situation in central midfield opens the door to a possible squad nomination for Swider. The coach made it clear, however, that the final decision would only be made shortly before the game: "We will decide tomorrow how we structure the squad. There are one or two who are back in training."

 

I always had suspicion but WANTED to be false but looks like Moukoko is a fraud......

Joseph Moukoko, who had been recognized as his father, declared under oath that he is not the biological father of the player:

"He is not my son nor that of my wife Marie. He was not born on November 20, 2004 in Yaoundé, Cameroon.

I got him a fake birth certificate in town, went to the embassy, got him a passport and took him to Germany as my son. He was actually born on July 19, 2000. We made him four years younger."
https://www.bild.de/news/eidesstatt...on-youssoufa-moukoko-675aefab9bc4f841b20d2d58


YIKES
-means he can't play Germany U21 anymore nor a candidate for next U21 cycle
-Now the main question what happens to our current U21 cycle??? Will Germany get punished? I'm glad he had 0 involvement with 2021 U21 Euro win too.

there surely be an inquiry of sorts to decide what next.


this is proof of why everyone should be iffy about any African born players and its nothing to do with racism if African descents are born in Europe far more reliable.

 

well one good thing is I've been saying over past few years.


while most were like Moukoko will be our future Germany 1st choice CF I've been saying I don't buy it and that guys like Topp, Weiper, Pejcinovic, Moerstedt, Brunner etc were fall more likely to be so. Because they have a far more complete package and also more what DFB obsesses over aka the physique/height etc.

that players like Moukoko far more likely to be bench options if they make SNT down the line.

 

Moukoko is such a weird story back in 2022 under oath, Joseph Moukoko claims he's his son now under oath in 2024 he calls him a fraud......some like campus talente says that Moukoko cut him out aka wasn't giving him money anymore.

The whole situation is an absolute disgrace, and I genuinely feel very sorry for Youssoufa Moukoko.

The "father," who is now revealing things about Youssoufa, is broke after Youssoufa distanced himself and stopped giving him money some time ago. Now he publicly exposes the… https://t.co/5S1KxzkiOg

— BayernTalente (@CampusVid2) December 13, 2024

I don't know if one should feel sorry. If he's fraud what's the extent of his knowledge was he aware and taking advantage or not.

 

I'm curious to how the German Embassy in Cameroon was deceived???

the story was always that he registered in German Embassy at birth. How does that work if he's a fraud, the Embassy not bother to check anything properly and got played???

 

from our POV, it doesn't really make a huge difference
we got Beier, Woltemade, Harres, Lemperle, Scherhant, Schmidt, Topp, Tresoldi, Ansah, Downs, Weiper, Pejcinovic, Mahmoud, Moerstedt, Brunner for this current U21 cycle as options. And like 2-3 others but they are only sub options with 0 XIs, so they aren't real candidates.

its not Moukoko or BUST, LOL. And if Moukoko is actually born in 2000, then he's actually older then everyone listed and that also means LESS potential than MAJORITY LISTED HERE........

Moukoko WOULD STILL BE one of Germany's most talented 00-01 CFs though but it does reduce his worth by a LOT. And if one now compares him to the 02-onwards, I don't think he'd relevant anymore. The most promising 02s, 04s, 05s, 06s, are more promising too due to full package and age.

what's a SHAME is that Moukoko robbed the spot from other players. Like could we have kept Asllani+Matanovic if Moukoko was discovered in past???? Feels like it could have.

I'm GLAD it was discovered NOW. Why? lets not ruin next U21 cycle.
if Moukoko was eligible he would have taken a spot from one of the 04-05s. Now will be easier for us to keep the players involved in U21.

imagine he plays next cycle and then its discovered DURING next cycle but player X gets pissed for being left by Germany U21 out and bails. Now player X could be called up without worry about dual poaching.

next U21 cycle needs to focus on
Topp, Tresoldi, Ansah, Downs, Pejcinovic, Weiper

these should be the main focus. One can see that if Moukoko was a candidate then 100% somebody would be screwed over especially since DFB have soft spot for Moukoko. Like 6 options+Moukoko would make 7, NO WAY DFB CAN CALL UP 7 CFs to U21 cycle, LOL. And then add that Copado, Mahmoud and co might become options come Summer 2025 too. So its more than these 7.

its now very very very very easy for DFB to focus on
Tresoldi, Pejcinovic, Weiper too.

I also guess that Tresoldi will likely be our main U21 CF this U21 Euro he's been 1st choice for like entire season from September-November too. He went from 0 XIs to 1st choice in that time too.

also would guess that Moukoko's spot in U21 could open to one of the players listed in 1st paragraph.

 

-2BL Koln wants to loan out 04 CB Bakatukanda......yeah since your transfer ban is over next month, you now don't care anymore about integration, LOL.
https://geissblog.koeln/2024/12/ges...itter-feed&utm_campaign=cleverpush-1734102694

-on 04 LB Zehnter of 2BL Paderborn.

Aaron Zehnter (2004) is an incredibly promising attacking fullback making significant waves for SC Paderborn in the 2. Bundesliga.

The German youth international is already on the radar of numerous top clubs, so here is all you should know!

++ SCOUTING THREAD ++ 🧵 pic.twitter.com/kr9ZbR2uyC

— Adam (@XxAdamKhanxX) December 13, 2024

-according to Bild, 06 M Ouedraogo of 1BL Leipzig to be back in March 2025......

 

This is how Dortmund reacted to the Moukoko report
Borussia Dortmund also reacted to the new reporting on SPORT1 with a statement from Sascha Fligge, Director of Communications: "In the case of Youssoufa Moukoko, the biological parents are shown on official identification documents and birth certificates issued by a German authority."

Fligge went on to say: "These documents are still valid today and are the basis for playing authorizations and permits for clubs, regardless of whether they are domestic or foreign, and of course for association selection teams such as the German U21 national team."

Cameroon-born Joseph Moukoko actually received German citizenship many years ago. Youssoufa Moukoko's birth certificate was converted to a German one.

Reports with consequences for BVB and DFB?
In November 2022, Der Spiegel had already reported that Joseph Moukoko had adopted the young Youssoufa Moukoko. At that time, too, reference was made to a second birth certificate that had been issued in Cameroon in 2000 in the name of "Youssoufa Mohamadou".

The Higher Regional Court of Frankfurt am Main later prohibited Der Spiegel from reporting on the issue. Although the court considered the minimum amount of evidence to be proven at the time, the magazine had not given Moukoko sufficient opportunity to comment on the core of the reporting.

It is unclear whether the new reports could now also have an impact on BVB and the German Football Association. If Moukoko had actually been four years older than officially known, he would not have been eligible to play in various matches as a youth player.
https://www.sport1.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/2024/12/neuer-wirbel-um-moukoko-bvb-reagiert

 

04 AM Damar on SUCCESSFUL 2BL Elversberg loan has interest from 1BL Union, Wolfsburg and Gladbach at same time, his own parent club 1BL Hoffenheim might want to keep him too.
https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...ieses-deutsche-juwel-675c2a0ef42ba80299f9f37d

 

on topic of Moukoko, I think for me the glaring iffy aspect was always that at some point, 12 y/o Moukoko had 18 y/o girlfriend.

was always a WTF type thing and none of my business but if he was 16 and she 18 makes more sense.


also if Moukoko is declared fraud, it means that Paul Wanner will become 1BL's youngest ever debutant too.

 

03 AM/W Sieb with assist against Bayern for 1-0 Mainz!!!
https://streamff.com/v/275d6f98

Peretz is such a rubbish GK.....

 

Sieb with 2nd assist for 2-0!!!
https://streamin.me/v/kmcyf135

 

2BL
-02 W Futkeu scored his 7th of season and 1-0 Winner for Furth.
https://streamin.me/v/be091c13

-04 CF Downs had a goal and 2 assists in 3-1 W for Koln.

his 7th of season for 1-0!!!
https://streamin.me/v/b201aed5

he drew PK for 2-0!!!
https://streamin.me/v/fca0c8f2

his 2nd assist of the match for 3-0!!!
https://streamin.me/v/06fb90c1

he's on track for double digits in his 1st full pro season. How long until U21 call up or 1BL return???

-03 M Castrop scored his 3rd of season and FCN's lone goal in 3-1 L. Assist by 03 M Jander.
https://streamin.me/v/c8b8d2b7

-02 CF/W Scherhant bagged his 5th of season in 2-1 L for Hertha.

-04 AM Damar (on loan) assisted Elversberg's 2nd in 3-0 W.
https://streamin.me/v/5b852f1b

 

02 CF Woltemade has assist for 1-0 lead for 1BL Stuttgart!!!
https://streamin.me/v/ed21fd1b

 

interesting thing to see

in 2BL,
02 CF Asllani is strong contender for 2BL top scorer as he scored brace and now at 10 goals in 2BL. The 1st place in scoring charts is at 11 goals......sadly Asllani is poached but since he's 100% German dev, it still shows German dev.

in 3rd Liga
03 W/CF Hettwer bagged brace and now jumps at 11 goals for BVB II. 1st place in scoring charts is at 12 goals. Double digits for a II team in 3rd Liga isn't something easy either.


when was last time, we saw any still U21 eligible players do this well in scoring table??? 2BL has numerous youth high on scoring table too.

but if these 2 win the top scorer would be great to see.

 

🚨🦅 Nnamdi #Collins will extend his contract early by two years, until 2030 ✔️

All done and agreed. Announcement coming soon. #SGE

Eintracht Frankfurt are rewarding the 20-year-old versatile defender for his strong development. His salary will also be adjusted. The new… pic.twitter.com/VJWus697E0

— Florian Plettenberg (@Plettigoal) December 15, 2024