Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

speaking of 04 CFs
-Wensing is now full blown M whether A or not.
-Hadziavdic transferred to Slovenian 2nd division.....where's in top 10 scorer list with 6 goals. Feel bad for him spent like 2 years injured and left Hertha II and now in some random league. Hopefully for him he ends up in 1st division soon enough
-Kojic transferred to newly revived Bochum II in 5th division. Where's he helping Bochum II to 1st place and on track for RL promotion and also candidate for top scorer of the Westfalen too. Will be curious to see if Bochum get relegated to 2BL and Bochum II up to RL would that open door for breakthrough???
-Sanogo, according to USA fans he's 2nd best 04 CF in Germany=LOL. Sadly for him (and them) he's still clubless as is Mekoma too.
-Wagner, currently at 3 goals+3 assists for Bayern II. Getting close to halfway mark but this is his 1st real season in RL as he returned from long term injury and missed majority of last season. I gather will still be in RL next season.

looking like Kojic+Hadziadvic are doing well as of now.

am I missing anyone from lower levels???

 

So Lucas Copado played sole CF in XI today and he bagged the assisting header for the 1-0 W in 3rd Liga.

this is 1st time this season that he's played CF too, has been played on W all season, whether RW or LW. Good to see that he can make difference whether W or CF.

so far 3 goals and 3 assists in 748 mins which is basically a goal/assist every 125 min with 8 XIs.

MASSIVE W, as it has propelled Cottbus to 1st place and 4 pts lead too. Cottbus is following other clubs who got from RL to 3rd Liga to 2BL after 1 season, LOL.

its interesting to note that Copado is only on loan from Austrian 1st. So does he potentially go 2BL with Cottbus or go back and breakthrough Austrian 1st???

he's a good example of how deranged troll poster can be, LMAO.
-Me: Copado is a player who is likened to Muller (nobody saying next gen Muller tbc) can play all attacking positions and will play wherever the coach wants.

fastforward that's exactly what happened he plays all attacking position and where coach wants.

vs

Troll=******** Copado he's SHIT, he's terrible and won't make it as a pro. LOL he's going on 3rd Liga loan, garbage player nobody wants him. (more hints of Woltemade rants, LMAO). He's NOT a CF and ******** him again.

-Troll=******** DFB How does anyone think we can win trophies or qualify with CFs like Copado, Sanne etc. These small sample of players I'm listing is proof that German CF dev=COMPLETE AND UTTER SHIT.

vs

Me=Copado hasnt been called up by DFB in 3 years......4 years next year.....so any and ALL failure in YNT has ZERO to do with him, LMAO. And why list 3-4 players and pretend like they are the POOL when they are just a FRACTION of it, LULZ.


LULZ for twoll Poster as Copado is on track to be in 2BL-1st Abroad in Summer 2025 AKA 04-05 U21 Candidate, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, LMAO!!!!

although ONLY an idiot will think that Copado will be anything but part of pool and nothing else. When comparing him to 04-06 CF prospects like Moukoko, Topp, Tresoldi, Ansah, Downs, Pejcinovic, Weiper, Moerstedt, Brunner etc. He 10000000000000000000% ain't gonna make it over this lot. Also how many of this lot will be in 1BL come Summer 2025???? For one they ALL have 1BL potential.

Copado is in same boat as the Mahmoud and the 3rd Liga-RL 04-onwards CFs (not gonna name anyone as lets go with wait and see) who will jump to 2BL level come Summer 2025. AKA EXTENDED POOL OPTIONS.

but thing is Copado might not even be a CF at pro footy so none of this lot is his competition. But comparing him to 04-onwards AM/W he also would be nothing but extended pool options.

what sucks is to see that he's one of those players forced to play ALL levels to make 1BL. He's already done RL and performed, now doing 3rd Liga this season and performing then 2BL-1st Abroad is next. Never a fan of players's career progress of playing every level to reach 1BL. I blame Bayern, had he left prior to expiring contract could have fasttracked his career. A Lot of times clubs like Bayern is just waste of time and derails, slows down your career.

 

according to reports 06 CF Zeitler who is XI at 3rd Liga Ingolstadt is already attracting interest from higher level.

he actually attracted loads of interest when he was still with Ingolstadt youth but now that he brokethrough has more interest too.

will be curious to see what happens
-does Ingolstadt get 2BL promotion?
-does he bail to 2BL-1st Abroad?
-does he end up in 1BL?

Sadly I think 1BL transfer is HUGE mistake. Soooooooooo many examples of BS from 1BL, they go after 3rd Liga youth..........to boost their II/RL clubs and aren't serious. They always go with "oh go play in RL to gain match practice jump to 1BL is HUGE and then the players get dumped to RL and never play 1BL....."

so he's better off in 2BL jump.

 

02 CF Lemperle bags his 8th of season for 1-0 lead for 2BL Koln.
https://streamin.me/v/3f980060

 

05 CF Pejcinovic (on loan) bags his 2nd of season for 2BL FD.
https://streamin.me/v/52774bc9

lets hope he picks it up for rest of season (sucks that he spent good chunk of season injured/unfit), plays+scorers as much as possible to have successful loan and then next season goes 1BL breakthrough!!!

 

07 CF Stange plays his 3rd 2BL cap as a sub.
-1st cap=hit post
-2nd cap=almost scored winner
-3rd cap=serves Selke on platter who then flops to score the winning goal. I didn't watch the match but looks like it was an impressive almost assist for a 17 y/o.

looks like only a matter of time before we seem play more and more at HSV.

 

02 AM/W Nebel scores his 2nd of season to give 1BL Mainz the 1-0 lead.
https://streamin.me/v/43cf3a28

 

Nebel now assist for 2-1 lead!!!
https://streamin.me/v/acd5e3fc

 

07 CF Stepanov liked this on instagram......

 

good weekend for CFs though
-1BL=Woltemade X2 (helped Stuttgart with 3-2 comeback W)
-2BL=Tresoldi X2 (scoring Winner too), Lemperle (scoring 1-0 W), Pejcinovic

 

Nebel scores a brace and 3rd of season to give 1BL Mainz the 3-2 lead!!!
https://streamin.me/v/fe3eb191

funny how in past saw TONS of comments at how Nebel was NEVER gonna make it to 1BL because he's small..........well the shrimp established himself in physical 2BL on loan and now establishing himself in 1BL, in his 1st real season too.

 

03 AM/W Bobzien (on loan) scored his 7th of season in 2-1 L in Austrian 1st.

with 3 goals in Austrian Cup, this is his 10th of season in all competition too.

 

LET'S GO!!!!

05 M Bischof scores his 2nd goal of season to make it 1-1 vs 1BL Freiburg. And 06 CF Moerstedt with the ASSIST!!!!. Moerstedt scored in EL but this is his 1st ever contribution in 1BL!!!
https://streamin.me/v/6c1599ae

 

with so many 02-onwards CFs establishing themselves in 2BL this season its also great to see that the 1BL CFs are also making progress.

last season in 1BL was basically Beier+Woltemade......Weiper was injured.

this season saw addition of
-Beier=transferred to top club BVB. Still needs time to adapt to bigger club.
-Woltemade=having breakthrough season with new club Stuttgart
-Harres=jumped from RL to 2BL Kiel prior to Summer 2024 but then Kiel got promoted to 1BL so jumped to 1BL where he brokethrough XI and already has 2 goals too.
-Topp=breakingthrough 1BL Bremen as NEW transfer and already at 4 goals and 1 assist in limited game time. Prior to injury was a very + player in every match he played at. Only matter of time before he goes full breakthrough.
-Weiper=HE'S the only one from list that we are waiting for that breakthrough but due to injury issues always gets derailed. He has ALL the tools+package to make it in 1BL and hopefully gets that chance to breakthrough and NO loan. What could help him avoid a loan, is that Mainz admits that he's a player who if he has a breakout season could sell for a FORTUNE, LOL. So they have more to gain with him breakingthrough directly.
-Moerstedt=breakingthrough the club, has 3 XIs in EL+DFB Cup but still waiting on his 1st XI in 1BL. Already at 1 goal and 1 assist this season in all competition, scoring cracker in EL to tie the match 1-1.

prior to this season back in Summer we were all expecting this season to breakthrough season in 1BL of Topp, Weiper and Moerstedt......so far 2/3 are a go!!!! LMAO, 3/3=Blonde Giants.

Harres=surprise breakthrough LOL.

I think its good as it means they will all avoid any loaning out and will breakthrough 1BL.


The #s so far
-1BL=02-Beier, 02-Woltemade, 02-Harres, 04-Topp, 05-Weiper, 06-Moerstedt
-Ligue 1=04-Moukoko (on loan)
-1st Abroad=06-Brunner (on loan)
-2BL=02-Scherhant, 02-Lemperle, 02-Castelle, 03-Schmidt, 04-Tresoldi, 04-Ansah, 04-Downs, 05-Pejcinovic (on loan), 05-Mahmoud, 07-Stange

That's 18 players in relevant pros!!!!
Then if one adds that 03-Matanovic (1BL), 02-Asllani (2BL, hit loan) aka 2/2=poached the #s jump to 20 02-onwards CFs in relevant pros. DAMN, I don't think I've ever seen the # of CFs in relevant pros jump this highly too.

players like Castelle+Stange are more recent breakthroughs in 2BL too. There is also a 02-Galjen who has played some 2BL this season but difference is that these 20/20 are regulars in matchday squad unlike Galjen although he's had injury issues. Castelle is more question mark as who knows if he ends up on loan or not in Winter, but Stange could have breakthrough season as he's impressed in every cap and made difference too.

Again the highlight of the 04-onwards, more than 50% of the 20 are 04-onwards.
11/20=04-onwards, if one ignores the poached then 11/18.....what's interesting is that 11/11 of the 04-onwards=regulars FIXED in matchday squads.

3/11=already in 1BL
How many of the 8/11 in 2BL-Abroad will be in 1BL come Summer 2025??? How many will be in 1BL come Summer 2026???

gonna be interesting to see the #s come Summer 2025 as Di Salvo (if he's still coach) could have LOADS of 1BL options and LOADS of 2BL options but obvious that ones in 1BL will get edge.

nevermind the Not listed 04-onwards CFs will likely breakthrough to relevant pros come Summer 2025-onwards too.

 

Leipzig coach on 08-Sakar.
Rose praised him: "A very good footballer. He still needs to improve a bit physically."

Sakar made his Bundesliga debut in injury time in Kiel and, at 16 years and 328 days, is the seventh youngest debutant in Bundesliga history. "It should be a sign that what I preach is also serious, that the door to us is open, even if the jump is a very big one," says Rose and formulates his demands on the youngsters: "They have the chance to offer themselves through performance, through respectful behavior at school, through hard work and through the behavioral irons that are needed to become a professional footballer."

 

07 CF/W Gaul Souza bagged his 2nd of season in RL in very important win for struggling Frankfurt II. From 0:53-onwards, that was a complicated goal, between the 1st touch, turn and shot.


its interesting to see that players like him are skipping U19 although U19 eligible until Summer 2026......if only more clubs would make their talents bail on U19 earlier, U19 is pointless.

Gaul Souza has a pro contract precursor at 1BL Frankfurt and they have praised him as a player who has pro potential (saying this doesn't necessarily mean they think will make the 1st team long run just that at MIN should become a pro footy player and pro footy is=1BL-3rd Liga. I'm curious to see what his ceiling will end up tbh, time will tell.) and that he can play anywhere in front 3 and that his skillset is very interesting too.

will be curious to see what Frankfurt does with
06 CF Alaoui (poached by Morocco), 07 CF/W Gaul Souza, and 08 CF Staff

3/3 have pro contract precursors too. Curious to see if any make the 1st team or not. Alaoui already comes off like the typical classical CF that has issues finding back of net vs adults and could take awhile before he clicks in like good chunk of that type of CF. Staff is youngest ever RL debutant and youngest ever RL scorer as well and had interest across of Europe too, before extending with Frankfurt. From our POV, toooooooo bad if Alaoui struggles he isn't our problem anymore.

its also interesting to see the 2 07 German-Brazilians making progress in adult footy.
-Stange=3 caps in 2BL HSV and 3/3 almost produced 2 goals and 1 assist, almost a productivity in 3/3 matches and 2/3 would have been winning goals too.
-Gaul Souza=already scoring twice in RL vs adults for a struggling club. I think if everyone fit, the club should be able to avoid relegation.

 

I think the German hardcore fans ain't gonna be happy that the IIs keep dominating....

there are 3 IIs in 3rd Liga this season. There is decent to good chance that 3/3 will survive, H96 II had poor start but have been picking it up more and more players are back from injuries too, they are making their way into safety as well.

now
-RL Bayern league=Bayern II is only 1 pts behind 1st place
-RL Sudwest league=Hoffenheim II is 1st place with 6 pts lead over 2nd place

I'm curious to what it is. Is it that
-the next gen talents are so good that they are wrecking adults with ease.
vs
-the RL leagues are weaker these days that its possible we'll see a RECORD 5 IIs next season in 3rd Liga, LULZ.

I don't watch RL these days, so no idea which it is. But reality feels like it could be both options, LOL. The next gen talents are more talented than entire 90s-01 born players+the RL leagues are weaker these days.

tbh, not sure I support Bayern II get promotion to 3rd Liga. We saw what BS they did last time they were in 3rd Liga. They didn't want to up anyone to 1st team in order to not weaken the II and only did so when forced too. They also become TRANSFER obsessed aka will pile up more foreign players too, like I feel like this club has toooooooo many players in II-U19 and they will likely block those players and screw others and make them lag longer than should in U19. Or a player like 03-Denk for example, should jump to 2BL-1st Abroad but Bayern will likely push him to stick around longer than he ever should and make him a "leader" in 3rd Liga II..... And then even with 3rd Liga II they will still be like you need a 2BL-1st Abroad loan, a 1BL loan etc. Look at Wanner went to 2BL from RL II and then 1BL loan and now reports of another loan next again to 1BL.........like II in 3rd Liga or RL what difference does it ********ing make with this club, LULZ.

 

so non-Germans are likening 05 M Bischof as a Modric/Kroos type.

interesting stat for Bischof
The players with the most tackles per match in Top-5 Leagues this season:
1️⃣ 4.5 Tom Bischof

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▫️MOTM
▫️1 Goal
▫️86% Pass Accuracy
▫️3 Key Passes
▫️3/4 Successful Crosses
▫️2/5 Successful Long Balls
▫️5/9 Ground Duels Won
▫️3 Tackles

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— Rising Stars XI (@RisingStarXI) December 8, 2024

 

Is Moukoko doing anything???

 

Kicker XI of 1BL=02 AM/W Nebel and 02 CF Woltemade

 

he scores every time he plays Germany U21, LOL.

problem with Moukoko is not a good loan. What do you expect when BVB had 0 plans for him but then got pissed with his agent for calling them out publicly, TONS of reports about the club was sabotaging every transfer/loan options with jacked up demands that no club was gonna comply with. They even considered having him in stand all season out of spite....YIKES. He was a bench player with BVB and more often then not was 3rd choice and BVB was exaggerating with demands. Then why should a club that won't buy him and only loans him in what benefit do they have in playing him much??? Also I believe that BVB did not want him to stay in 1BL aka play for a rival club. Almost transferred perm to La Liga but BVB screwed the deal and all the interested clubs moved on and went elsewhere.

also you don't loan out young CFs to top 5 leagues more often then not they will do what benefits them most and the player won't be used often. Its already not easy to go on loan to 2BL-1st Abroad (1st Abroad=lower level 1st divisions) and breakthrough on loan.

at the end of day, its not end of world. He's still U21 eligible until 2027, he's perm capped by Germany for playing like 1-2 mins at WC22. He has all the time to have his full on breakthrough at some point. He's already brokethrough as a pro, he's just waiting on that full on breakthrough, aka regular fixed XI.

sure we have wave of next gen CFs that are emerging but we don't need any of them NOW either.

I would rather we not rush anyone anyways. We saw how rushing Gomez (got a SHIT TON better for NT as he got older) and Werner did in past.

Moukoko is one of maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany future SNT options that will emerge as well.

the real question for him is if he should axe his loan in Winter.......LOL BVB is not very bright this poor loan will destroy his market price that they will be forced to sell him even more cheaply then they ever wanted.

 

what's funny about Moukoko although he's barely played in Ligue 1 he's at
2 goals and 1 assist in 7 Ligue 1 matches, playing 180 min,

so averages goal every 90 min and goal/assist every 60 min. He also had a very very good scoring or scoring/assisting rate at BVB too even with limited game time.

only played 2 XIs and only 2 players in whole team has outscored him in Ligue 1, LOL.

 

Is that Stange? He looks very skillful. He doesn't play like a typical striker. He has futsal skills and plays like a winger or an attacking midfielder. Is he really 187cm tall? He moves like a short player. If he's 187cm, that's awesome. Height won't prevent him from making the breakthrough.

 

How are all these super tall strikers making the breakthrough at the same time? Does it have to do with Haaland's success? Coaches and/or academies are trying to create their own Haaland? Also, the population is getting taller and taller with each generation so there are more tall talents to choose from.

 

yes that's Stange.
I wouldn't say having dribbling skills means plays like AM/W and everyone at HSV sees him at CF too. When Selke was injured, Stange was a candidate to replace him and this is why he brokethrough the 1st team and then he just kept impressing and kept being in team.

the club themselves have described him as
"Although Otto has only been with us for a year and a half, he has proven in that short time that he is a strong dribbler and goal-scoring center forward. His cheeky and carefree nature makes him a special striker profile."

I mean you can even see him in video you posted him scoring headers and his almost assist to Selke seems to have been him going at it solo and imposing himself physically at 17 y/o.

doesn't play like typical striker.....he's half Brazilian.
Look at the goal of this weekend of our other German-Brazilian CF Souza on this page. Both have interesting skill set although Souza unlike Stange is seen as playable in all front 3 which Frankfurt emphasized. The good thing about these 2 is Brazil will never poach them unless they end up world class-Elite level but even then Brazilian has their own next gen CFs. So there is no worry about losing either.

also even the notorious anti-youth Baumgart aka will always make excuses to NOT play young players especially in positions like CF was VERY HIGH on Stange and he's the one who gave him his pro debut too.

“It is really fun watching Otto play. He could definitely have an interesting career.”

last time I checked ages ago he was listed at 1.85m. Now HSV themselves, TM, Bundesliga.com etc all list him at 1.87m tall. He got an upgrade it seems.

yeah LOL
-CFs in 190s=Woltemade, Harres, Topp, Weiper, Moerstedt, Ansah, Downs, Mahmoud, Matanovic (poached), Asllani (poached)
-CFs in that 1.85-1.89=Beier, Scherhant, Lemperle, Stange, Brunner, Pejcinovic, Tresoldi, Schmidt
-CFs in that early 180s=Castelle
-CFs below 180s=Moukoko (he's 1.79m, basically same height as Eto'o)

this is just proof that troll poster was ALWAYS a NEGATIVE NANCY, LOL. Guy has been bitching for years about all the small CFs. Been telling him for years stop obsessing over the small players we have TONS of players who are BIG and skilled in the next gen and very tall but guy ignores everything to yap about Copado (LOL on track for 2BL-1st Abroad next season), Sanne, Koch, Moukoko, Etcibasi etc as if they were the ONLY guys around, LOL.

imagine 10/20 listed=190s and 18/20=1.85-1.98m tall.

not only that but guys who have ties with relevant pros 1st teams.
02-Galjen=1.89m (pro contract with 2BL Jahn. Has like handful of 2BL caps this season), 04-Imasuen=1.93m (pro contract with 1BL Bremen. Made 1BL debut last season), 04-Ehrlich=1.95m (pro contract with 1BL Augsburg), 04-B.Winter=1.88m (pro contract with 1BL Pauli, sadly has been injured for what feels like a whole year. Had done well in RL from day 1 too), 05-Rolke=1.92m (pro contract with 2BL Hertha), 05-El Mala=1.94m (pro contract with 2BL Koln and on 3rd Liga loan), 05-Remmert=1.93m (pro contract with 2BL S04), 07-Stepanov=1.92m (Believe he has pro contract or Bayer wants him to sign, either one. Also made his debut in CL this season. MIGHT or MIGHT NOT play DFB who knows)

and 3rd Liga-RL is FULL of guys in 1.85m-190s too which aren't listed in this post. Nevermind all the kids in U17-U19, LOL.

the reality the # of smaller CFs is a very very small pool of players.

to answer your question I think its not Haaland related but more
1-Germany in past like 15 years has been OBSESSED with big/physical CFs to the point that its the only thing they like, LOL. Nevermind that if you go back in past all the world class-star German CFs were ALL in 170s-to early 180s and very few in that 1.85m-onward region. But DFB, Media, coaches will all pretend otherwise and act like big/physical was always a thing, LMAO.

I think big/physical is pointless........Give me big/physical with skills and can be complete CF that is what we need and want, complete CF who can do anything. I always said my preference is 1.85m-onwards but don't mind if someone is shorter but can finish well and has overall good game like Burkardt, Moukoko etc.

just a quick example, 05-Remmert is a big/physical classical CF. I saw him in 2BL S04 1st team preaseason and felt he was limited player and typical classical CF. Fastforward and he's only scored once in RL......that's pretty poor and the type of shit that we saw from the 90s-01 born CFs. They can barely be productive in RL, he's gonna take AWHILE before we see him jump to pro footy. Same shit happened to 03-Wollschalger also in that 190s and classical CF, took him 3 years post U19 to be productive in RL.....I wouldn't be surprised if Wollschalger is next going to 3rd Liga. These type of limited CFs always tend to be ones who end up playing ALL levels before reaching 1BL if ever.

2-The nice thing about those 20 who brokethrough is outside of Castelle who I've never seen play. The rest I don't really see any of them as classical CFs aka good at head and nothing else. There is more variety and more interesting packages+skillset all over.

3-The Skillset+Quality of next gen CFs is so good and impressive that the players are jumping to pros SUPER FAST and faster then ever. 19/20 players (Castelle is the odd man out) listed are ALL players who jumped to relevant pros either very very very very early or destroyed RL very very early on and jumped to pros fast. And that their qualities is what clubs want in players and they jumped fast. When the Skills+Quality+Potential+Productivity is shown early on that will force clubs to do something with them. They aren't slow burn players.