Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

TRASH 02 CF Woltemade scores brace and COMEBACK from down 2-0 to 2-2!!!!

his 3rd of season in 1BL and 6th of season in all competition.
https://streamin.me/v/9e37e33f

 

Nagelsmann CAP TIE HIM NOW BEFORE HE GETS POACHED!!!!


joking around, I always argued that troll poster is a HUGE idiot for shitting on full Germans like Beier, Woltemade etc as no matter what happens they will ALWAYS be part of our SNT pool of options, no running away.

 

LOL, when one thinks 1BL loans should be enough it still isn't, what a joke club.

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05 M Bischof to Bayern???

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a LOT more talents than this too, LOL.

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on 02 CF Woltemade

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Ukrainian 07 CF Stepanov to play for Germany???

he made his pro debut in end of November in CL as 17 min sub for Bayer Leverkusen.
Sure he's talented but I don't really approve of poaching refugees and non-Germans.

I've never been huge on naturalization, only few exceptions like the Kabadayi-Thiaw etc who are born, raised and lived whole life in Germany but due to being born when parents aren't German citizens they didn't get any German passport, although Thiaw always saw himself as German and applied for it himself. Those are fine but this is prime definition of poaching players even if the player came to Germany to escape a war, should continue to play for Ukraine.

but I ain't gonna bitch or cry if he really chooses Germany, not like I have a choice what he decides to do.

believe that Germany has changed some aspects that some people could gain passport faster depending on criteria and that the whole 6-8 years could shrink to like 3-4 years which is why I think Stepanov is linked aka could become possible to naturalize him in 2025 or something.

 

04 AM Damar looking like he's having a breakout season on 2BL loan. One should expect he'll be back in 1BL next season.

had goal and assist in 2-1 Comeback W.

his assist for 1-1.
https://streamin.me/v/07868f23

his 5th of season for 2-1 WINNING Goal, already halfway through hitting double digits.
https://streamin.me/v/b49b80e8

 

04 LB Zehnter bagged his 7th assist of season for 2BL Paderborn and once again a cross. He's a very good crosser and attacking fullback, although believe that he's weaker at D. Curious to see how long until 1BL.

this guy is at
1 goal and 7 assists in 13 2BL games
2 goals and 12 assists in 28 CAREER 2BL games since his Winter 2024 Transfer.

those are some attacking #s for LB.

interesting to note, he always looked like a dual and saw recent mention that he's
German-Malaysian

there is 1 other dual who for some reason there is almost 0 info on his duality and that's 2BL Hertha's 02 CF/W Scherhant.

 

its interesting to see that 02 CF Harres is having breakthrough 1BL season, a player who never really got a chance with 3rd Liga Dynamo Dresden who basically loaned him forever and then got rid of him, what a joke of a club.

its weird how he's a player I mentioned here and there as far back as like 2019, scored some fantastic goals back in U17-U19 days including loads of acrobatic goals too. I was expecting him to end up in 1BL down the road aka mid-20s instead brokethrough 1BL skipping 2BL-3rd Liga, LULZ and did so while still Germany U21 eligible too!!!!

Dynamo is a club who have dev CFs in numerous age groups, list of EX Dynamo dev CFs
-01=Konigsdorffer, a player who is XI in 2BL HSV and on track to go upwards in Summer
-02=Harres, a player written off by Dynamo now an XI at 1BL Kiel. If he keeps it up even if Kiel goes down he's likely to end up in 1BL with someone else. Also this guy WRECKED numerous 1BL-2BL clubs last season in DFB Cup with a RL club, LMAO.
-03=Naderi, a player who is making an impression in 3rd Liga this season aka his 1st ever pro season already linked with Summer transfer to 1BL Heidenheim. Prior to 3rd Liga HR, he actually bagged a pro contract with 1BL Gladbach but never used
-04=Ehrlich, on track for double digits in RL with Augsburg II, another one who bagged 1BL Pro contract with Augsburg but likely won't breakthrough the club and will be forced elsewhere.
-06=Akaegbobi, now with Wolfsburg U19 and made 1BL-DFB Cup bench this season too. If he signs pro contract likely to be dumped on loan but is one that is seen as having pro potential, for now lets see how he does in pro footy next season, likely not 1BL.

I do remember when Konigsdorffer+Harres made for a MIGHTY CF duo for Dynamo too and Naderi also played with them.

now fastforward
1 in 1BL, 1 in 2BL on track for 1BL, 1 in 3rd Liga linked with 1BL and 1 in RL who is likely to go pro soon enough and 1 wait and see as still in U19.

and from these 5, ONLY Konigsdorrfer even made the Dynamo 1st team, LMAO.

also interesting to note that
Harres=1.94m tall, LOL is he the new BIG PHIL!!!
Naderi=1.93m tall
Ehrlich=1.95m tall
Konigsdorffer=1.82m tall

so 3/4 are in that almost mid-190s tall too. I saw some list Akaegbobi similar height to Konigsdorffer.

honestly would be hilarious to see how many end up in 1BL and this 3rd Liga level club can't even integrate LULZ.


although others like
02-Gollnack and 04-J.Hoffmann have struggled to establish himself in RL/Adult footy so far.

 

What's the reason for this? Immigrants get better integrated/assimilated in England and France?

 

I suspect its because
-France=Like VAST VAST majority of their duals=African+Carribean
-Pengland=Like VAST VAST majority of their duals=African+Carribean

vs
-Germany=Duals from ALL over the world, like we have duals from like every country there is. I mean there are statistics that showed that Germany after USA is 2nd top destination for immigration in the world.

notice that the German-Africans tend to be more likely to stick around while the German-Turks, German-Asians, German-American, German-Euros all get poached or threaten to ditch.


the common link is Africans, the Euro-African duals tend to be ones who stay until delusional stage, like Africa=last resort option and not really want they want and would play for African team if so desperate to play WC. Although duals from Morocco+Algeria tend to bail early in numerous cases.

and also for Pengland+France, Carribean=NOBODY wants to play for terrible teams halfway across the ocean.

 

2BL
-02 W Futkeu bags a brace in 2-1 W for Furth.

his 5th of season for 1-1.
https://streamin.me/v/2437dd9e

his 6th of season and 2-1 WINNER!!!!
NO Clip.

I'm curious to see if Futkeu who is seen as next Sieb for Furth if he'll end up in 1BL in Summer was reject by both Frankfurt+Koln too.

-05 AM/W Krattenmacher (on loan) had 2 assists in 3-2 L for Ulm.

takes his tally to
2 goals and 5 assists in 15 2BL games

a player who's been productive in RL, 3rd Liga, 2BL and more often then not he's more of an assister than scorer though especially once he played 2BL-3rd Liga. Lets hope he's in 1BL loan next season and no more lower level.

-04 CF Tresoldi bagged brace and 4th of season in 3-2 W for H96!!!! His winning goal=HEADER too!!!! On track for double digits in 2BL if he keeps it up too. He already has 1BL-Serie A interest too and most think this is his last season in 2BL. The amount of CFs who look to be playing last season in 2BL look like 02-Lemperle, 02-Scherhant, 04-Tresoldi, 04-Downs, maybe 04-Ansah too.

 

its interesting to see how well the 2BL CFs are doing
-02 Asllani=8 goals, sadly poached like Matanovic, Gedikli etc
-02 Lemperle=7 goals
-02 Scherhant=4 goals
-03 Schmidt=2 goals
-04 Tresoldi=4 goals
-04 Downs=6 goals
-04 Ansah=3 goals
-05 Pejcinovic=1 goal, although did spend decent chunk of season injured+getting back into it


Will be curious to see how many end up with double digits???
Asllani, Lemperle, Downs already getting very close while Scherhant and Tresoldi are close to halfway mark. I do hope that Ansah+Pejcinovic can pick it up and have good season.

02-Castelle, 02-Galjen, 04-Ouro-Tagba (poached), 05-Mahmoud, 07-Stange=still at 0, although Stange almost scored twice already.

Although to be fair to this lot, they got 0 XIs, the ones who have scored have all had numerous XIs, which shows the #s, 8 02-05 CFs have played XI in 2BL this season+5 02-07s who have played sub that's already 13 CFs in 2BL playing this season. Nevermind that 1-2 others like 05-Remmert made bench for example.

Usually ones who score and play XI=will avoid getting loan dumping. So one shouldn't be surprised if Castelle, Galjen, Mahmoud end up on 3rd Liga loans in Winter. Ouro-Tagba can't go on loan as he's on loan from 2BL Koln, not sure how logical it is to loan out to 2BL rival......


what's fun about 2BL these days is that its full of youth players in ALL positions something that wasn't even the case like 2 years ago, LOL where entire league was Anti-Young and lovefest for old players.

 

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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2nd 08 to make debut for top 4 league club but FIRST ONE to make debut in league play as 08 CB Palma made debut in Coppa Italia for Serie A Udinese.

08 M/W Faik Sakar makes his 1BL debut for Plastic Leipzig!!!

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he hasn't played for Germany since 2023, wonder if this will get him called up in March for qualifiers????

 

although troll poster is 100% a POS, doesn't change fact that he does interact with players and parents of players.....main issue with that is that he will be polite to players+parents but then trash the players ONLINE, LMAO what an A-Hole.

in last X number of years, the only usefulness of troll poster is that he has info on duals, eligibility of players and who the players want to play for besides that he's NOTHING BUT an L MACHINE with dumb ass takes, LULZ.

here's what he says about 07 CF Stepanov
"I know Arten's father, Roman. He told me that he (who works for Leverkusen) and his son want to play for the DFB, and the DFB will help them get the German passport."


LOL, we are finally dev CFs from 02-onwards and plenty of potential too and now we could MAYBE add another option to pool. Will be curious to see who makes SNT in future and who will be Germany's #1 CF option down the line, gonna be interesting.

 

I always find it funny how troll poster shits on German CFs but then lists dozen of promising CF talents, LULZ.

this A-Hole will always refuse to compare German CF talents to RIVAL NATIONS ONLY. At end of day, my entire life, only the rival countries even matter tbh. Outside of Greece fluke, nobody else wins anything but rival countries. The others like Croatia-Belgium need a Golden Generation just to go far but don't have enough to actually win in end.

take Pengland for example, I've been highlighting for years that their CFs from 98-03 is basically a HUGE NOTHING and that 03-Delap is their only player of note from those entire Age Groups, fastforward and that is case this season. Then I've said that 04-06 Pengland CFs are big question marks with not a huge amount of hype and this season 04-Scarlett is only 04-06 CF doing anything in EPL-Championship and he's in Championship too. Also lets be honest if Scarlett was in Germany he wouldn't be in 2BL, LULZ, he flops 2/2 Championship-League One loans and he still ends up on another Championship loans, the amount of chances Pengland players get in Championship is crazy vs Germany moment you have 1 bad loan you risk lagging in 3rd Liga-RL for awhile if the club doesn't axe you perm as highlighted with a Harres even 3rd Liga clubs can be ruthless for chances, LOL. And Scarlett doing well in 2nd division might not do well in EPL if he goes upwards, that shift isn't always successful.

I'm sure Pengland fans are hoping that players like Delap can be Kane replacement but time will tell but what's evident is that their CF pool will continue to very very small.

funny enough Pengland's CF pool reminds me of OUR CF pool when it was the ENTIRE 90s Age Groups, LULZ.

although for us we do love our late bloomer CFs and with players like Kleindienst+Undav+Fullkrug ALL making difference in SNT while being later bloomers too.

even more so because just because somebody is part of pool doesn't mean they are SNT material or will be big difference maker in SNT.

Spain's next gen CFs also showing struggles but ain't gonna make a post about every rival country. Others have potential but their players either still trying to breakthrough top 4 league or still in that 2nd division-1st Abroad level. A Italy, their Golden Boy, 05-Esposito looking to have breakout Serie B loan this season, so next season, likely to FINALLY be in Serie A.

 

Any player that actually wants to play for Germany is fine by me, makes a change from duals ditching.

Is Stepanov from a refugee background or did his family move earlier?

 

there are reasons for that
1-Bremen is a trash club that doesn't do much upfront
2-He's better suited with a club like Stuttgart then Bremen
3-he was breakingthrough 1BL for realz last season but the knot was not untied until the very very very end of last season at Bremen, he scored both goals end of season too......then between Germany U21+Stuttgart this season he continued his form from last season.

Woltemade is good example of if only most players would get that integration+patience and you could get a W to emerge in 1BL. Sadly most clubs have snail integration+quick to dump on loan players after barely any chances. It takes time for players to really untie the knot, some do it very fast others just need the experience to do so.

I'm glad that Topp showed before his injury that he can 100% make a difference, LOL at Bremen too. Its good because it means he'll avoid loan dumping. In numerous games prior to injury he was like rare + for Bremen and making difference for club, on top of having 4 goals+1 assist in 247 min of game time.

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hahaha, sad but true but what can you do when they are opportunistic.

its sad to see that a refugee is more keen on playing for Germany then ones who ditch because they are afraid of competition.......and ALL ditchers are afraid of competition or guys like Uzun+Yildiz who got PISSED to the moon about always getting left out by DFB so they rejected DFB when they had pro breakthroughs out of spite.

he's refugee from Ukraine war, anytime you see Ukrainians in German Youth Clubs they are all refugees from war.

I've seen numerous people call him the Ukrainian Haaland too, will be curious to see what his ceiling is.

He had trials at Bayern and Bayer and choose Bayer too.

 

LOL
"Sakar was born in Germany to a German-born Turkish father and French-born Cameroonian mother."

so does that make him eligible for
Germany, Turkey, France, Cameroon

we seem to be getting some quadruple duals these days between Sakar and Malanga who is
"Malanga's mother was born in Senegal to a Senegalese-Malian father and German mother. Malanga's father was born in Brazil and is of Angolan descent."

WTF is this, LULZ.
Senegal, Mali, Germany, Brazil, Angola

so from this Malanga is actually 1/4 German descent, his Maternal Grandmother is German.

 

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04 CF Tresoldi's 3rd-4th goals of season for 2BL H96. Might be tap ins but I see it more as very good movement/positioning that leads to tap ins. Tap ins is also a skill, look at Havertz and other false 9 types, always positioned in wrong places and miss tap ins too.

What's interesting about Tresoldi is that not many Italian 02-onwards CFs have outscored him....

Serie A
-02 Colombo=2 goals
-02 Esposito=2 goals

when one sees that 2/2 of these are 02s aka 2 years older. There is 04-Raimondo who gets Italy U21 call ups in past in Serie A but 0 goals and 0 XIs so far, how long until loan dumping???

Serie B
-05 Esposito=7 goals
-02 Bonfanti=4 goals
-03 Cerri=3 goals
-Like 8 players at 1-2 goals almost all 02-03s too.


like only 05-Esposito is outscoring Tresoldi and 05-Esposito is the only 04-onwards that has actually scored more than 0-1. And Esposito is basically one of Italy's most highly rated CF anyways along with 08-Camarda and maybe 1-2 others. So yeah Tresoldi would very likely have made it into Italy YNT. And Tresoldi will all but likely be in 1BL come Summer 2025 too.

 

LOL, Italy SNT coach Spalletti recently openly stated that 08 CF Camarda is the FUTURE of Itallian SNT. I'm sure its likely him and 05-Esposito.

but I don't think any Germany SNT coach would ever say anything of the sort, LULZ. I think we learned our lesson after DFB overhyped J.Eggestein, Arp, Moukoko. Although Moukoko is still very young and U21 eligible until 2027, even if currently on downtrend he still has 2 years and a half to hopefully get there again. Doesn't help that he went to a Ligue 1 club on loan, going to places like that works better as full transfer and not on loan. You loan out CFs to 2BL-1st Abroad NOT top 5 leagues. And BVB screwed him over a lot with BS very high $$$ to buy a player who was a bench with them on purpose too. They don't want him back but they wanted payback for his agent's public outburst.

we know that Nagelsmann praised Beier and Moerstedt but he never said anything more and there is that Hoffenheim bias too as both Beier ex Hoff and Moerstedt current Hoff. I wouldn't call either one from Nagelsmann as hype or he's our future CF like Spalletti has done, LULZ. Its more generic praise on his part and that Moerstedt has SNT potential.................................so do plenty of others due to wave of next gen CFs, LOL.

every other talent is more quiet about them from DFB even Di Salvo and Kuntz (before leaving) tend to have been more like + to the amount of next gen CF talents that are emerging without naming anyone.

 

its interesting to see progress of RL CFs.
I'm ignoring assists and ignoring anyone below 4 goals.

-02 Kasper=16 goals, leading scorer of RL Bayern and has made 2BL Furth bench too. He's seen as more classical type CF and some do see him as limited. I'm curious if he'll end up in 2BL or 3rd Liga next.
-02 Kesim=8 goals
-02 Hummel=7 goals.......FINALLY has his breakout RL season. Will he finally go upwards or forever lag at this level, LOL.
-03 Sillah=13 goals, its always been obvious that 07-Stange has more talent and potential and he's also ahead of him in 1st team pecking order too.
-03 Wollschlager=6 goals.....FINALLY scoring at adult level, he's one of those typical classical CF who is big/physical and has no finishing when very young. Struggled to score at every pro level he's played at.....sadly for him, 05-Rolke is more rated and ahead aka Wollschlager is more bench player, so close to hitting double while not playing as much.
-03 Skolik=4 goals
-03 Krupa=8 goals, I recall when he tried to breakthrough 3rd Liga Ingolstadt and basically was written off by club......
-03 Ebnoutalib=6 goals
-04 Zank=6 goals
-04 Marx=4 goals
-04 Imasuen=9 goals, has pro contract with 1BL Bremen and made 1BL debut last season. Bremen do love their loans, LOL. Supposedly Bremen have a plan for him, and I do recall Fritz saying something like his time will come.....but clubs say things like that and players end up on loan anyways.
-04 Japaur=6 goals, failed to breakthrough with Augsburg II now doing so at another club.
-04 Ehrlich=6 goals......has pro contract with 1BL Augsburg but he needs to bail. This club loves neverending loaning and won't integrate a CF with no real experience.
-04 Grimm=6 goals
-04 Obiogumu=6 goals......he struggled to establish himself with Hoffenheim II but has established himself after Summer transfer to FCN II. Will he make his 2BL FCN debut this season???
-04 Labes=7 goals, now that is a name we haven't seen in a LONG TIME, LOL. When he was still at Kiel U17-U19 he was getting some hype and also YNT call ups too. Kiel at the time indicated that he has 1st prospects but he bailed from the club and now playing for random RL club and on track for breakout RL season. Will he go upwards in Summer???
-05 Gleissner=5 goals......nothing to see here he's a bench CF with no 1st prospects at Paderborn.
-05 Rolke=6 goals, on track for double digits and he has 2BL Hertha pro contract. He's well viewed at Hertha and believe he frequently trains with 1st team and usually there for friendlies. Would expect he might debut this season.
-05 Riesselmann=4 goals, he's on loan from 3rd Liga and has assisted 4 times too. Another big/physical type. Will he make his way into 3rd Liga come Summer???

Some Comments
-Players like Kesim, Skolik, Grimm, Marx, Zank, Ebnoutalib are those random players nobody heard of, LOL. I have no idea how any of these even play....haha. Will Say that Kesim, Skolik, Marx (only because he had 3rd Liga Hallescher pro contract and then written off, no other reason for him, LOL) are only ones I recall from past.
-what's interesting to see is the progress of the 04 CFs.
8 players listed and 7/8=6-9 goals scored so far and 7/8 on track to scoring double digits this season in RL, WOW. And then TONS of other 04s are in 1BL-Ligue 1-2BL-3rd Liga level too.
-a LOT of the players listed here are big/physical, issue with that lot is that they have too many holes in their games and limited technically or in passing which makes them less interesting.

take a Sillah, he's seen as overall limited outside of physique+speed and a Stange who is 4 years younger seen as more exciting package so overtake him very easily.

-thing about big/physical is the reality THE TALENTED BIG/PHYSICAL CFs are ones who jump to pros super fast or early on. So the 04-05 big/physical ones need to go upwards in Summer 2025 or 2026 TOPS.

-I don't think anyone here is a HUGE talent either. Between Meh aka limited potential to good prospects TOPS.