Athletic Bilbao Vs. Real Madrid | La Liga Fixture 16 | Estadio San Mames | 04/12/24 21:00 CET

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  1. Ahmadi8

    Ahmadi8 Member+

    Apr 14, 2005
    Bahrain
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    Real Madrid
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    Bahrain
    If they don't, the people that want to put all the blame on the players get proven right. Then some players can start preparing to bag their bags in the summer because they won't have Ancelloti taking most of the blame from them.
     
  2. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    Whether it's by design or not: Fran Garcia needed a player to hold his hand for the entirety of his play time.

    I don't care if that's Bellingham, Mbappe, Michael Jordan, Pesso Pluma. Fran Garcia represents a net negative when he's under pressure. That's why he doesn't play.

    This is what I mean when I say that discussion is going down the drain. Somebody asked why Fran Garcia was subbed. I explained it.

    If you take out Mbappé and sub on another player, keeping Fran on, you STILL have a player on the field that needs permanent assistance. At the very least Mendy unlocked that.


    Mbappe didn't perform well, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Fran Garcia is a weak point against teams that press the flank.
     
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  3. Doni

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    Dec 4, 2010
    London
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    Real Madrid
    #453 Doni, Dec 5, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2024
    Fran Garcia is nowhere near made for this top level, his decision making on the ball, his actual ability to make short passes consistently, his first touch are just terrible in any sort of high pressure situation.

    Whilst Mendy is very limited in attack, at least in our half he’s very surprisingly gifted at the short passing game, that’s a combination of dealing with the pressure, making the right pass, timing etc.

    Fran would be the first player out next summer if it was up to me, he tries hard, but simply not good enough.
     
  4. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    At some point yesterday I felt like Carlo played him out of spite, as a middle finger to those that asked for him.

    He's not nearly productive enough on the opponents side of the field to justify having him back there.

    Fran Garcia is a useful player against teams that don't pose a threat. He's an interesting piece, but he's not a good all around player.
     
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  5. Doni

    Doni Member+

    Dec 4, 2010
    London
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    I personally don’t find anything interesting about Fran, bring in Miguel back next summer, easy upside.
     
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  6. Nir_O

    Nir_O BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Mar 16, 2019
    Not Mendy/Fran/Miguel are RM level. After RC and Marcelo we need proper LB. Not to mention the most important thing now is to buy a RB in the winter because with Lucas as RB for all season we screwed.
    Simple as that we can’t win trophies with him as a starter
     
  7. Ahmadi8

    Ahmadi8 Member+

    Apr 14, 2005
    Bahrain
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    Real Madrid
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    Bahrain
    By every other metric in all previous games Mendy has shown that he is worse than Fran Garcia. For only this game you decide the metric here is important.
     
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  8. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Fran Garcia has only played against teams with a horrible goal scoring record this season and yesterday, where he got fried.

    If you see a good player in Fran Garcia, that's on you, I see a victim. Teams are rubbing their hands when they see him on the lineup.

    All local papers today over at the Athletic side celebrate his inclusion.

    I'm not a fan of Mendy, but Fran Garcia is simply not good. We need to improve there.
     
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  9. Ahmadi8

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    Apr 14, 2005
    Bahrain
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    Real Madrid
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    Bahrain
    Until we get to the transfer period we are stuck with both. So who starts?
     
  10. WhiteRM

    WhiteRM Member

    Real Madrid
    Jan 17, 2024
    It's was bad game that nothing worked.
    Kylian kicked the the penalty the same way he kicked the penalty against Liverpool, weak and to same place. he supposed to be one of the best PK there is, but when your self-confidence is so low you can't even kick a penalty in a good way.
    i hope after Vini comes back from injury he will be the main PK and Kyilan will takes pantiles on when we got no pressure.

    Fede with a huge mistake, but i got no complaints for him for this. all of the team looks bad and it's just a symptom of this.
    i really didn't understand Carlo subs. why tf you take off Fran for Mendy? we need to score and you bring on the dude that doesn't know how to pass the ball forward?
    also, why you taking off Cbellious instead of Tchouameni?

    Happy the Jude scoored, he now got 4 goals(and 2 assists) in the last 4 La liga matches, he coming back to his shape from the last season and it's especially important when Kylian looks like this.

    Sacking Carlo and brining Solari instead of him? hell no. in the summer we will bring Alonso so what's the point of sacking Carlo and a point a manger until the end of the season?
    This makes me think how wonderful Peps life is a City. This dude won 1 CL in 8 years he got knocked out against teams that are much weaker than City, did only 2 finals when one of them he lost. he didn't win 7 out of him last 8 games and 6 of them he lost while getting humiliated in 2 of these game(you can even say 3 with the tie against Feyenoord).
    Anyone heard to talks about sacking Pep? i didn't.
    If Pep isn't a good example than look at Klopp, he won 1 UCL after reaching 3 times the UCL final, in season 22/23 he finished 5th in the league. won 1 EPL Championship, he lost another Europa league final against Sevilla(can't blame him, they are like RM at the UCL finals), last year he got knocked out in the semi-final from the Europa league after sufferings a devastating defeat at home vs Atlanta.
    Anyone heard of some wanting to sack Klopp? i didn't.
     
  11. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    The guy that doesn't need somebody holding his hand. That's what it comes down to.

    For all the positive effect that Fran Garcia is supposed to have upfront: he has produced nothing of consequence despite mostly being fielded in total demolition runs.
     
  12. robertocarlos3

    robertocarlos3 Member+

    Jan 9, 2012
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    Right. Fran Garcia also missed the penalty.
    He is also getting the same money as mbappe.
    He's the reason we're playing bad.

    What about the people that didn't take care of improving that position at all?
     
  13. Ahmadi8

    Ahmadi8 Member+

    Apr 14, 2005
    Bahrain
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    Real Madrid
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    Bahrain
    We will agree to disagree.

    Mendy has offered nothing of substance and in fact been complete negative defensively. Breaking offsides and being turned by the most average of wingers.
    I prefer Fran start.
     
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  14. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    We would have lost all the same with Mendy as a starter so it doesn't matter much.
    And by the way nobody explained why we had to defend so deep last night, we weren't playing against prime Barcelona.
     
  15. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Camavinga is superior to both of them, in that position. That's the truth really. If he'd be game for it, i believe Carlo would have him starting there every week.
     
  16. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    When we're discussing whether steak or fish is better, don't jump in and tell me you don't like meat.Mbappe has been bad so far. I don't see what that does for a team that concedes at the clip that we do.
     
  17. Bear Crotch

    Bear Crotch Member+

    Jan 2, 2008
    Ohio, United States
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    We heavily invested in a super duper unstoppable attack. We refused to invest in the backline so the attack now has to outscore the opposition to compensate for our defense.

    We've conceded four less goals than Barcelona but have scored seventeen less than them having played one game less. The defense is doing all it can short of parking the bus considering the personnel on the field and the treatment table.

    Our attack is failing and Mbappe is at the center of all of it due to dictating our transfer policy and not delivering on the field.
     
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  18. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
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    Real Madrid
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    United States

    Awe man, that's a good one.

    Oh wait one player is the supposed superstar world beating game winner who the team couldn't survive without and the other is the backup left back who's been thrown into a staring role by a manager trying to paper over cracks management created when it prioritized signing a shiny new galactico.

    People comparing Mbappe to Fran Garcia trying to help his cause, he really has become a joke.
     
  19. Ahmadi8

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    Apr 14, 2005
    Bahrain
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    Please no. We are struggling in midfield as is.
     

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