At what point is a military coup better than the status quo?

The problem is Republicans. A military coup doesn't guarantee that anything would change, it only guarantees that we'd live in interesting times.

The only advantage would be dethroning Trump. That's not insignificant, and I would do just about anything to watch him get a gunshot to the back as he's running away from a military tribunal. But there's no reason whatsoever to think that Uday or Qusay wouldn't win the next election. We need the military to destroy Republicanism and that just ain't gonna happen.

 

The only way for it to truly work would be to coup the White House, Congress, Supreme Court, FOX/OAN/et al, and several billionaires. Putting aside whether they would, the better question is if they could pull off such an operation without alerting the true believers in the government.

I'm skeptical.

 

Right now, seems to me that a straight-up military coup would be at least as damaging to the American experiment as anything this fvckwit has done. Civilian control of the military is as foundational as the peaceful transfer of power, adherence to democratic principles, and the branches staying in their damn lanes. Good times.

However, if the military were acting in support of some type of civilian action, perhaps by securing and sequestering the clowns and saying early and often they were *not* in charge, that could be a thing.

 

No. Just no.

And the writer underestimates how ********ed up the condition of our condition actually is.

The military is not monolithic. Once you cross this bridge the military would immediately fracture and factionalize…which would mean civil war and death and destruction to us all.

Regarding the military refusing….note who is drawing up plans (JSOC). Note who’s pushing back (Joint chiefs…JSOC reports directly to DefSec and bypasses the JCOS in command structure).

As I’ve stated earlier….Bradly (JSOC) now needs a pardon from Trump or he will be court martialed for murder of we ever return to normalcy. He knows this. He’s trapped. He’ll do whatever Trump and Hegseth tell him to do.

So a military coup would pit our Special Forces command against our regular military command at a minimum.

This is why I thought it was a tragic dangerous mistake to make Hegseth the focus of the fisherman murders. I watched bits of the Bradly hearing. Way too much deference to his “service to the country” given he was a blatant murderer in need of a trump pardon. Not one single call for his resignation from any side of the aisle. That is ********ing dangerous…and it leads directly to “if Trump wants JSOC to attack Greenland JSOC is attacking Greenland”

edit for clarity
JSOC- joint special operations command
JCOS - joint chiefs of staff

JSOC is an independent command. Bradly has no higher military authority over him. SECDEF is the only one that can give him direct orders.

 

"But mark my words. This war will be fought not on the frontier or on some distant battlefield, but amongst us—among our homes. Our children will learn of it with their own eyes. And the innocent will die with the rest of us."

But with automatic weapons this time.

 

No I can absolutely imagine a status quo that's way worse. I find it hard for top commanders to rally such an attempt without Miller and his henchman finding out and bringing such commanders to heel.

If they just coup the White House, it doesn't fix anything. The MAGA infrastructure has to all be cut out quickly or the whole whole country falls apart in the worst way. That's a lot of moving pieces in ways hard to hide within the United States. A lot of the bureaucrats have been forced out and are every day being replaced by loyalists. It's an ongoing project but one that gets more complete by the day.

Could it be pulled off? Maybe they could seize Washington but FOX/et all would rally the base and I don't think that ends well for anyone. Who do they hand governing over to? Jeffries? Schumer? Give me a break.

I don't think it could be successfully pulled off to the level needed to keep it relatively bloodless. But hey, if blood in the streets is ok then sure, they could absolutely do it anytime.

 

It would help if our NATO “allies” would speak clearly and publicly: any military action taken against Greenland will result in the immediate closure of all US naval and air force bases in NATO/European countries.

we need bases to project power (airborne refueling of long range bombers as an example) and support the logistics of any power projection. Denying access handicaps the US in huge portions of the Middle East. Brits should close off access to Diego garcia

In other words….make it clear that even if we take Greenland without a shot….we lose.

Why publicly? Because the message doesn’t just need to go to trump. It needs to go to the Republican Party to make clear the irreparable damage they are allowing

 

I would bet on an assassination before a coup. Hard to believe a coup would be possible to pull off.

 

They'd be better off arresting everyone in country.

 

Who’s they?

 

I don’t think a coup would work. That said, if the military leadership banded together and publicly stated that Trump’s orders were illegal; and regardless of what Trump does (e.g. firing them) they were not going anywhere; and were going to retain control of the military and our nuclear arsenal until someone competent was in charge; people might be supportive. But then we’d be like Turkey and nobody wants that.

 

NATO countries hosting US forces/bases. If the US attacked Greenland, they should (amongst other things) arrest US military personnel within their borders.

 

This, exactly!

This is why I think all the talk of "Biden/Harris/Democrats should have done this or that differently" is misguided, in my opinion. That is the thinking of "normal times" and nothing after the Republicans betrayed the nation by failing to hold Trump accountable for the J6 insurrection is normal. Once they decided inciting a mob to attack Congress to impede the transfer of power was cool they got this domino effect of horror going.

 

TrumpCo seems nuts but even they know an attack on a NATO member effectively ends the alliance. The fact they're even discussing it is outrageous. And of course a fractured alliance would benefit Putey.

 

The scenario doesn't really make sense. If you have enough political and military support to invade Greenland then you can't do a military coup. Now, if you mean a revolution then that makes more sense.

 

Only when Democrats are in power.

I mean let's be realistic, that is probably the only time it would happen.

 

Are you prepared for a $3 trillion or more War Department budget?

 

Sure, anything that prevents us from having universal health care.

 

But with new 21st century impunity, the opportunities for the 1% and the other well connected to skim off of War Department budgets will be Huge.

 

Maybe our military brass is working on something?

 

How many of y'all seriously believe that even a large minority of people who join the military are speaking from intent when they take that oath to defend the Constitution? IMO it's like pledging allegiance- you're not really thinking about what you're saying- you're just saying it.

(If you actually think about that shit when you say the Pledge, this post is not for you)

Same for the police (It's my understanding that they take the same or a similar oath). It's a job. They're all kind of programmed to follow the instructions of the next higher-up, so the system works reasonably well. But if you get a potato for a CNC, you... follow the instructions of the next higher-up. Because it's your job. You're not getting paid to preserve the Constitution. You're not getting paid to save the country (the man who wanted to save the country quit his job before he could be ordered to attack Venezuela and kidnap their head of state). You're getting paid to follow the instructions of the next higher-up.

The fun's just begun.