Arsenal vs Villa (EPL) 8 Nov 2020

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by NorthBank, Nov 6, 2020.

  1. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I get the frustration, but I don't see how you cobble a coherent attack out of this squad. Have to defend and counter.
     
  2. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nelson is probably better than Willian, and Willock is probably our third best midfielder.
     
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  3. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I kind of disagree.

    Willian should be better but seems out to pasture.

    But we've never seen anything to indicate the kids are up to it, apart from Saka, maybe ABN & Martinelli

    Of course a huge issue is players like Willock are only 21 and need proper development - but to actually depend on him in midfield seems insane
     
  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Scrolling through our squad it is amazing how poor it is really

    We have some decent players, and some good prospects, but we are still really struggling to field EPL quality in each position

    Like we have only one elite forward, and one elite midfielder.
     
  5. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    No one is saying Nelson or Willock is good enough to start for Liverpool or Man City right now. The question is whether or not they are good enough to get a chance for a mid-table PL club that just had its ass handed to it by Aston Villa at home. Arsenal aren't signing 8 new players in January.
     
  6. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Willock at least moves off the ball, right now I’ll take that in the place of players standing around and waiting for the ball to be played to their feet.
     
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  7. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    How many clubs have multiple players 21 and under who can play in Europe?

    Two is above average. Nelson and Willock are useful squad players: that has value too.
     
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  8. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Me too!,

    At least give Joe a chance... a run of some games in our EPL XI... like he did for Saka last year.
     
  9. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Just

    cbuting


    Play


    Ozil
     
  10. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Well, we can't play him until January, so.....

    I still think the Ozil thing came from the Kroenkes.
     
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  11. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yeah and arteta has shown himself to be a company man peddling their bs
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Arteta ball is shit

    We moved the ball too slowly

    1326874608482586625 is not a valid tweet id
     
  13. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I for one do not really like slow patient buildup play. I think high speed attacks are basically the most thrilling thing in football.
     
  14. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    We are allergic to one twos and they are the main component of fast attacks
     
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  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    This is a really good piece

    Laca and Willian appear to be going through the exact same decline that happened to Ozil before them. At some point this is structural.

    The loss of Ozil/Ramsey (and Alexis) is devastating to Arsenal's attack - but also, those players themselves suffered huge drop in output because of the disfunction under Emery

    So there is a huge systemic issue here.

     
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  16. super gooner

    super gooner Member

    Arsenal
    England
    Sep 20, 2020
    Of course it shows as dependency on individuals, but we have to accept it, as a team/squad, we are not good enough.
     
  17. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    my original thought was the grudge was from the paycut. i forgot all about his comment on the uighur muslims.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    It's almost certainly the paycut negotiations fronted by Arteta

    After Arsenal leaked that Ozil was not agreeing to the deal, Ozil's agent raced on to Honigstein's podcast and cast both the club and Arteta in a really bad light.

    ironically, everything Sogut said turned out to be accurate.
     
  19. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    you think it's more that than the uighur muslims?

    i was also trying to figure out if it was the kroenke or sanllehi. given that sanllehi is gone and ozil is still out in the cold, that should rule him out, yeah?
     
  20. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    If he’s not included in the squad, that seems like the Kroenkes
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Especially given his run of starts before lockdown, he was clearly good enough to at least make the squad
     
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  22. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Leaking Ozil’s refusal to take the pay cut, when we still don’t know the names of the other two players to refuse the cut, was almost certainly from above Arteta’s pay grade, i.e. at the direction of the Kroenkes. If the leak was above Arteta’s pay grade, it’s quite likely the decision to exclude Ozil from the roster was also above Ozil’s pay grade.
     
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  23. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
     
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  24. super gooner

    super gooner Member

    Arsenal
    England
    Sep 20, 2020
    That is not good reading.
     

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