Arsenal vs Liverpool (EFL Cup Semi) 20 Jan 2022

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by NorthBank, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. gunner7

    gunner7 Member+

    Jul 27, 2008
    Sunshine California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    See everyone next season
     
  2. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Haha I am loving getting shredded on other sites for daring to suggest this is our ceiling under Arteta and a better manager would get more out of this squad, and one of the counter arguments was that 1-2 loss to City.

    Can't make this stuff up.
     
  3. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
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    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    So, it sounds like the level of performance was more an indictment than the final result. Fair assessment?

    While I wouldn't have said Arsenal is at Liverpool's level, I sure expected a better showing at home, in a cup tie, against a Pool side missing key players. Heck, Arsenal with 10 players showed more resiliency last week than the full side did today. (Yes, I know last week was all about defending.). Not sure if this is about the side's lack of creativity, talent, leadership, focus, or heart? Or a combination of the same? Bottom line, still some work to do.

    Well, at least now the goal for the rest of the season has been made clear.
     
  4. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    We play like Man City lite, but lack the players to do so, and Arteta is horrendous tactically and with substitutions.
     
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  5. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
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    Arsenal FC
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    Tanzania
    Ødegaard and Martinelli were stars. Ben white too.
     
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  6. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    #81 ArsenalMetro, Jan 20, 2022
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    Unless we have our very best XI*, the team is pretty much hopeless.

    The question is whether you put the blame for that on Arteta for being unable/unwilling to adjust, or on the people who have built this paper-thin squad over the last 5 years.

    * - choose between ESR and Martinelli, no argument. The other 10 - Ramsdale, Tierney, Gabriel, White, Tomiyasu, Xhaka, Partey, Odegaard, Saka, Lacazette - are non-negotiable.
     
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  7. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
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    Tanzania
    I'm not all for him but there's no shame losing to Liverpool esp with the options he had.
     
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  8. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
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    from the funny-but-also-not-funny department . . .

    1484277806741790720 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  9. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    There's no shame in losing to Liverpool, but there is shame in going scoreless against them 5 times in a row.

    In those 5 games, Liverpool have scored 9 goals, while Arsenal have had 10 shots on target.
     
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  10. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True. Lokonga was improved tonight too. And Saka was his typical quality of late.

    The problem is that none of those individual performances actually had any tangible positive impact on the outcome.
     
  11. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Arteta would win more games with better players.

    Thats not that impressive. I could coach Man City.

    The question is, if all teams had even teams, would Arteta be enough of a difference?
    I don't think so.
    We could have a better team than City/Pool/Chelsea and we would still lose. Artetas tactics don't stack up. He is too slow to make subs.
     
  12. Rewinder

    Rewinder Member+

    Jun 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    We have played 4 games this year, picked up 3 red cards, scored 1, won 0.

    The season is going to unravel quickly barring some major incoming transfer business (not clowns like Melo).
     
  13. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    one thing that always bothered with wenger was his subs were almost always reactive, whether us going down a goal or giving up a tying goal in, say, the 75th or 80th minute. when arteta started, he briefly had a period where he'd make more timely (which, in my opinion, is in the 60-65) changes proactively but that was a brief, brief period. last year or two, his subs feel like they're super late. i hates it.
     
  14. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Super late, super reactive and at times he brings on players who contribute literally nothing.

    How many times is Nketiah going to keep doing nothing before we sell him/let him go?
    I was surprised he subbed Tavares off early and hoped that was a change in his man management style but no he has reverted back.
     
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  15. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Criticizing his substitutions generally is arguably fair. But what was he supposed to do last night as far as generating more offense? No Pepe, no Auba. Pretty limited options.
     
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  16. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Who should he have brought on and when?
     
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  17. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Yeah, just as a reminder, this was our meager bench last night:

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  18. Rewinder

    Rewinder Member+

    Jun 24, 2004
    Club:
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    Makes you wonder why we didn't have signings ready to go in early January. Cedric and Chambers are the only unexpected omissions from the squad, and under more normal circumstances, we wouldn't have even had Partey available.

    Or why didn't we hold on to AMN until after this Burnley game?
     
  19. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    And how many people, before the season started, said "wow come January when there is fixture pile ups and AFCON we are going to be short."

    Answer is, well, a lot of pundits and I was saying it too.

    We made some good purchases but not enough. We had to rush back Tomi and had a hole in MF after we loaned someone who can play both roles.

    We went into the season with a dangerously thin list and we are now punished for something that was insanely obvious.
     
  20. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    A d they have made it thinner by three.
     
  21. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    But what about he substitution choices you criticized in Thursday?
     
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  22. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    The sky is always falling.
     
  23. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

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    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anybody wanna step up to make the Burnley thread? KO in 20hrs.
     
  24. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

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    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here ya go.
     
  25. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Well to start with Nketiah for Laca is horrendous. Would rather have tried Martinelli in the CF since he was shut down on the wing, push ESR to the left, push Ode further up the pitch and bring on Holding for Laca. Holding to CB and White into midfield.
     

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