Pre-match: Arsenal versus Chelsea 1/19 12:30 est

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  1. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

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    Mandzukic plays as a defensive fw or winger slot though
     
  2. footykid

    footykid Member+

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    More interesting would be Giroud when he played with Sanchez tbh.
     
  3. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
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    Giroud at the wc
     
  4. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
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    Lol
    what

    he has never played as a winger...
    he was a target man up top for bayern
    and madrid
     
  5. Gunning4Chelsea

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    give me couple of decent wingers and i will take mandzukic over gonzalo every day
     
  6. ArsenalMetro

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    He was primarily a left-winger last season and the season before.
     
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  7. crazy150

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    If I wanted to win a tournament—yes. The league—no way.
     
  8. Tonerl

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    Oh, okay. You love Mandzukic (and/or hate Higuain) and don't actually care about the comparison you asked for. Got it.
     
  9. NorthBank

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    Mar 29, 2006
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    Reports starting to trickle out (unofficially) that Hector's injury is a season-ending cruciate rupture. No surprise there.

    There was an interesting discussion on today's Arsecast about who should replace him: AMN, Jenks, Mustafi, or Lichsteiner.

    Granted that it was only a sample size of 2 pundit fans, but I found it notable that Lichsteiner was at the bottom of both of their lists. And AMN was at the top, albeit for slightly different reasons.

    One thing is for sure... we there's a significant drop from Bellerin to any of those 4. There's also a chance that we see a regular rotation between several of these guys, depending on the opposition and Emery's tactics.

    They also talked about how there's already been 3 season-ending injuries in Emery's first season. But that's due to just bad luck, rather than any other factor within his control.
     
  10. Shen-O

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    Feel like trading this W for a L if it meant Bellerin didn’t go down. Jesus.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    Hector will spend the rest of the season doing stone roses impressions

    Could just be bad luck but it is also not unusual to get another injury when coming back from first injury if mishandled

    Arsenal medical department strikes again?
     
  12. yossarian

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    Welbeck landed awkwardly going up for a header. Holding's foot slid awkwardly on the artificial surface that rings the edge of the pitch at Old Trafford (and many other stadiums). So Bellerin's injury is the only one, IMO, you could possibly blame on the medical department. But remember he had been back in training for a couple of weeks before this and didn't start against West Ham so I'm not really sure how much he was rushed. And given Forsythe and Burgess's reputations, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt unless injuries like Bellerin's become a pattern.
     
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  13. mebeSajid

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    I don't know how you blame an ACL tear on a medical team.
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    #89 The Jitty Slitter, Jan 22, 2019
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    Players who are tentative on the pitch because they lost some confidence when carrying a recent injury or lost mobility slightly - can injure themselves badly.

    It's one of those factors where causation is super tricky, but I know from Rugby there is a lot of evidence people can get badly hurt in comebacks when they are not fully committed in contact, or perhaps are somewhat fatigued, or adopt a bad body shape because they were favouring an injury

    Fatigue - which can be related to lack of match fitness, is a big factor in these kinds of injuries

    But anyway - looked a bit of a strange one
     
  15. Shen-O

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    While back in training already, it doesn’t mean his injury was fully healed. His body wasn’t ready, had to overcompensate somehow...boom ACL tear. I don’t want to blame the medical team completely but this is pretty standard stuff. He was rushed back too quickly.
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    That is my feeling as well.

    Fully fit guy doesn't blow his ACL like that
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    Decent player in the mindless drone role and can score brutal goals
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    Chelsea were shit IMO - got blown away in the first half by very physical approach.
     
  19. wanye_stirrear

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    Wasn't he initially out with a calf injury? Maybe I am wrong, but if so, I don't think the two are related. Most likely, it's just a freak occurence.
     
  20. Shen-O

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    They are most certainly related. A weaker calf will cause your foot/ankle, hips, or knee to overcompensate.

    Example, weak left lat will cause right neck tightness
     
  21. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

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    It’s the problem with modern pitches being so soft, it makes ace and hamstring injuries more common
     
  22. Shen-O

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    Soft/wet pitch will amplify the problem, getting you to that breaking point that much faster, but I don’t believe the pitch itself is the problem.
     
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  23. NorthBank

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    I haven't rewatched this match, but I did just watch Adrian Clarke's latest Breakdown. One thing it reminded me of was how there were refreshing moments of Total Football: Laca & Auba making awesome tackles in our own third, as well as Sokratis & Kos linking for our insurance goal. Then of course there's the diamond, which was all for @thebigman...

    https://www.arsenal.com/news/analysis-how-our-diamond-dazzled-chelsea
     
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  24. Gunning4Chelsea

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    Because he never won league or cl
    Lol
     
  25. Gunning4Chelsea

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    Aug 2, 2005
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    Quadrado and costa played wings
    Mandzukic played on left up top for half a season
    Never in traditional wing ... usually when Dybala played
    He is not a winger by any stretch
     

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