Arrest of Sami Al-Arian

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by verybdog, Feb 23, 2003.

  1. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/01/19/bubba/index.html?x

    Is he guilty of charge or is he innocent?

    "USF administrators fired the Kuwaiti-born professor after he appeared on national television for five minutes of punditry last fall. His crime? Not telling viewers that his views did not necessarily reflect those of the school. It was a tortured rationale that all but guaranteed future litigation.


    As Salon recently reported, the Al-Arian episode raises disturbing questions about free speech, academic freedom and the future of tenured status. But what's also important to understand is the crucial role the press played in the unfolding saga. "
     
  2. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Its about time we hounded guys like Al-Arian out of the country. There are mosques all over the country with guys like him preaching hatred of the US. We could start in Oakland and SF, at the mosques where Johnny Taliban Walker-lindh learned to be a muslim.
     
  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    He was/is a big fundraiser in the US for Islamic Jihad. He's been preaching the downfall of the US & Israel while comfortably earning a living as a professor at USF (warping the minds of our youth - how pleasant). I believe his brother was deported for doing the same. The quicker we can lock this menace up the better.
     
  4. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

    Mar 2, 2000
    New York, NY
    Club:
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    His arrest was more recent. This article refers to his problems with USF. The Salon piece is over a year old.

    Here is a story on his recent arrest:

    http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79073,00.html

    He and seven other men were charged Thursday in a 50-count indictment with operating a criminal racketeering enterprise since 1984 that supported Palestinian Islamic Jihad. They are also charged with conspiracy to kill and maim people abroad; conspiracy to provide material support to the group; extortion; perjury; mail and wire fraud; obstruction of justice; and attempt to procure citizenship or naturalization unlawfully to help terrorists.
     
  5. Barnash_haviv

    Barnash_haviv New Member

    Apr 19, 2002
    Israel
    You forgot that he raised money for the Islamic Jihad
     
  6. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
    USA
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    I'm sure it was just an oversight on verybdog's part.
     
  7. el_urchinio

    el_urchinio Member

    Jun 6, 2002
    Last time I checked there's nothing illegal about that. The reason he's on trial is because he allegedly provided funds to terrorist groups.
     
  8. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    Can we please start rounding up all the Irish Americans who've sent money to fund IRA terrorism too?
     
  9. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Could be wrong, but I don't think the IRA was officially listed as a terrorist group until very recently. It should have been of course, but if it wasn't then they didn't do anything illegal.

    Again, I could be wrong about the IRA not being listed as a terrorist group, but I seem to recall this.


    Alex
     
  10. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
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    There have been some arrests in Boston.
     
  11. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
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    The official terrorist list began only in 1996, by Congressional decree, and the IRA has never been on it because when it was established the British government requested that they not be included. Why'd they do that? Two reasons:

    1. Sinn Fein was in peace negotiations with the UK, and listing the IRA on the list would have put those in jeopardy.

    2. They knew that the US could not include the IRA and exclude the Ulster Defense Association, which would have annoyed the NI Protestants.

    What you're thinking of is the "Real IRA", a splinter group that was declared its own terrorist group separate from the IRA in May '01.

    http://www.usembassy.org.uk/ni149.html

    There are lots of Americans who support the "Real IRA" even still, but I've never heard of arrests surrounding them.
     
  12. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    alex i'm pretty sure dancing around technicalities like this is a really bad idea.

    your fellow conservative,
    -irish
     
  13. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Should clarify, I'm sure as hell not saying the people who funded the IRA weren't doing anything wrong, just that if it wasn't illegal at the time they can't be arrested for it.

    Obie, those are the guys I'm thinking of. Luckily the situation in N. Ireland seems to have died down in recent years, targeted killings of rival group leaders still occur from time to time (which I could really care less about, they're all equally thuggish) but it looks like the city-center bombs that kill dozens of civilians might finally be a thing of the past.


    Alex
     
  14. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Yeah, that's why he'll go to prison, but I'm talking about the legions of ungrateful guests we've got, would-be citizens (and not-wannabees, too) who should be sent back to their hellhole of origin.

    Al-Arian is a naturalized citizen, I think, and if we were smart about our immigration policies he'd never have gotten that far. If we were smart, we'd send an INS person into every mosque and hound the anti-american preachers out of here.

    We should also have a way of stripping Al-Arian of his citizenship, no way does he deserve to be a citizen. Just because we made a mistake in granting him citizenship doesn't mean that we can't rectify it.
     
  15. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    hmm....i think i understand your point but you're violating alot of principles. i think you need to look at the bigger picture. i also think you need to really limit your statements and think about the idea of closer inspection to who is let into the country but the concept of rooting people out in places of worship and such is wrong.

    should i go into the south side of chicago and pick up young black men any time i hear about a shooting? because that's in a sense what you are insinuating. basically using TOTAL unabashed profiling as an effective anti-terror tool (which is not right because profiling can be just as ineffective)

    you should just look at your statement i think it got away from you.
     

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