Argentine NT: News, Stats & Players [R]

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  1. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I would highlight Nico G. more alongside Otamendi. Nico should have tracked Rios from the beginning and was just ball watching the whole play
     
  2. aerez

    aerez Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Ottamendi's is useless. Slow, weak, Low football intellilgence. Can't jump anymore.
    A 36 year old man whose still crying. When you have lisandro and cuti who do the job better, make less mistakes, cover more ground and don't act like a 12 year old after a bad moment.

    Why is he on the team?

    He's the one person you depend on the proper posiitioning because he has "years of experience".
    Yet on both goals none of his intelligence was located. The first goal was an open road to dibu and the goal. Supposedly our best jumper is Ottamendi who didn't read the ball or jump for it. Then he gets caught out of position in the 2nd ball and is too slow to track back to cover it. What's he do, typical 2014 defending. Slide in the box.
     
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  3. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #24653 Rattlehead, Sep 11, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2024
    After a day and trying to analyze it with clear head , I think everyone outside a few like Cuti & Mac werent playing well. I wouldnt overcritical over this particular performance. The heat clearly bothering the players including Colombian players. You could see them easily gets countered by us aswell. If only Lautaro bring his scoring boots like in Copa, this would have ended 3-1 easily. Julian also hasnt been clinical for a long time.

    Even Luis Diaz cant thnk straight and pulled a headless chicken dribbling. They also had a chance from point blank range which the guy hit it straight to Dibu with a weak shot. James did nothing outside scoring that penalty and assisted Nico's goal. Literally both sides performed badly unlike in Copa.

    Pipinogol was right, Colombia can attack but they're also completely vulnurable againts a counter. We simply didnt burries our chances. That Julian left foot pass to Lautaro was Messi esque.
     
  4. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes, but then again, we would have conceided equalizer if Licha didnt put that sliding tackle againts Australia.
     
  5. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Players werent running as much as they used too because of the heat & the non stop pressing we did in previous games few days earlier. We played that Chile game as if its a WC final.

    Remember that Mbappe run near the end which Cuti, Enzo, Dybala worked together to clears it? Or Cuti and Licha blocking shot together againts Canada? Colombia wouldnt get a sniff if we're able to play with such intensity.
     
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  6. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  7. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  8. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Garnacho dropped from the first team for this weekend by ten Haag for liking a Cristina post that indirectly criticized ten Haag. I can understand where Alejandro is coming from. Being dropped from the RW for Diallo & not getting minutes due to egghead's obsession with Rashford.
     
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  9. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Every Argentine players on that club ended up being benched or sold , even Tevez who won everything in 2008. Heinze probably the only exception.
     
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  10. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Heinze wanted to join Liverpool but Man Utd blocked him from moving.
     
  11. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That makes it zero Argentine to ever settle in that club for long. Hopefully Garna & Licha can turn that negative trend.

    Garnacho scored MU third goal today at injury time.
     
  12. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Paz apparently stood out once again for Como.



    I think Scaloni may need to call him up for the next round of qualifiers. I know he has said he wants to represent us, and I am sure he will, be Scaloni cannot drag this out and give the Gallegos a whiff.
     
  13. ganapordiego

    ganapordiego Member

    Estudiantes de La Plata
    Argentina
    Jul 10, 2021
    Senesi has been excellent today. C’mon Scaloni, Pezzella & Otamendi need to be faded out sooner than later.
     
  14. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Agreed, Senesi is having a great game vs Chelsea today. I have a feeling that he will move to a big club next summer (Juve was interested in him this summer). He just needs to stop getting injured right before the international windows.

    With Romero suspended in the next match vs Venezuela, this is a good chance to test out Senesi.

    If Scaloni wants to still try out with this Lisandro LB experiment, then I could see him lineup like this

    --------------------Alvarez
    -------------------------Messi
    Nico G.-------MacA-------Enzo-------RDP
    Lisandro----Senesi-----Otamendi----Molina
    -------------------------Dibu
     
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  15. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Messi scores in his first game back already. With his right foot.

    Make that two goals, a more typical one with his left, assisted by Jordi Alba.
     
  16. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    A fit Messi can score with his eyes close. The first two goals in Copa opening game was created by him. He hit the post against Chile from distance, then they deliberately injured him which affected his subsequent games. You can see his movement became stiff afterward.

    Main problem is, now he couldnt withstand hard tackles without having a knock.
     
  17. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #24667 Rattlehead, Sep 14, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2024
    Miami plays like they have no midfielders. Nobody's pressing, they just let opponents have the ball.

    Messi was open for a tap in, and they passed it to Suarez who's marked by two players. Most of Miami players runs twice slower than Biglia.
     
  18. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  19. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tbh they played a lot more normal without Messi, lol. Having him and Suarez on the field at the same time makes things kinda weird.
     
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  20. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #24670 Rattlehead, Sep 14, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2024
    Its still kinda hard to watch MLS game because players arent pressing as much as in Europe or South American. They dont even chase a pass to get to the ball quicker, they waited for the ball to arrive to their feet instead:laugh:

    While Messi and Suarez finishing are still there, no doubt playing two players of that age means you simply needs a combative players like RDP or Julian to accommodates their lack of movement off the ball. Off course Miami probably looking for another top name players in their late 30s instead.

    Anyway, its 3 points from Messi's brace & assist regardless:D . As long someone can get the ball to him in final third, he'd always be dangerous.
     
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  21. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    #24671 afar, Sep 14, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2024
    For Messi, nice round numbers overall for his career:

    840 goals
    375 opta assists
    1215 G+A
    1070 games

    1.14% G+A average for whole career

    Just insane…but it really isn’t the statistics for him, is it.
     
  22. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    Miami is the worst mls team off the ball, it's crazy. Everyone is lazy, even the coach :ROFLMAO:
     
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  23. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That number coupled with 6 trophies/gold medals with the NT, its almost too good.
     
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  24. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Emi conceided again from a header...
     
  25. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    To be fair to Emi he made the right decision but the defender never tracked the run or even made a challenge. It's a free header from five yards. He was a little unsighted on the first hence the slightly later dive.

    As to the next WC games if it was me I would make some 'radical' changes. I think the squad needs freshening up and players reminded they are not guaranteed starters.

    -------------------------------------Martinez---------------------------------------
    --Molina/Maffeo-------Senesi-------------Licha-----------------------Soler
    -----------------------------------Varela-----------------------------------------
    ------------------de Paul---------------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------Mac Allister (c)-----------------------
    -----Soule/Garnacho----------------------Dybala--------------------------
    -----------------------------------Lautaro/Julian-------------------------------

    Both Soler & Maffeo love to get forward so I'd sit Varela and also expect Soule or Garnacho along with Lautaro and Mac to press high. It's time some of these pibes and those who have progressed well like Senesi get their chances. Others like Enzo need a kick in the pants.
     
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