Argentine NT: News, Stats & Players [R]

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by jimmi_moh, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Corbatta has elements that di Maria has. I think @Loco we'll be fine. We have an immense midfield and defence developing. Just need to add to Julian and Lautaro upfront. Keep the same work ethic, unity and we will be there or thereabouts. Of course we'll miss these two.

    They are right up there as some of the best players to have donned the shirt in over a hundred and ten years. They do provide that extra spark and magic that you sometimes need and also keep the opposition in fear.

    But we're good right now. Very good and now we need to make it a dynasty.
     
  2. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Does get caught out later defensively. He'll need to develop that better. But what a cross. Also Brighton & Hove Albion are interested in Taty Castellanos.
     
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  3. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I hope it's in Los Angeles. The weather will not be as bad as Miami, and the stadium (unlike the one I have next door here in Santa Clara) offers good protection from the sun. LA is obviously a Mexican home site, as most US sites, but since Mexico will no doubt be based in their own country, I think we can take over.
     
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  4. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    You’re preaching to the choir. SoFi is a state of the art stadium, even though a traditionalist like myself would’ve preferred the Rose Bowl but SoFi will be a stadium where players would want to play.

    But I think we are going to be placed in New York or Miami. Both of those areas have outdoor stadiums, which will be troublesome for players. NYC in the summer is bad as well and those stadiums are all outdoors. Not to mention, the Hard Rock is a dump(sorry@Loco). It would’ve been equivalent if they had a game at Candle Stick instead of Levi(Even though Candle Stick is no longer around).

    And yeah, I believe Mexico will play their matches in Mexico. But Mexico is categorized into two regions for the World Cup. Two matches in the Central and one in the West. The West has venues are set in LA, SF, Seattle, Vancouver and Guadalajara. It would ridiculous if a team has to play in Vancouver and then travel all the way to Guadalajara.
     
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  5. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Man I would love to catch some games, but it’s for sure going to put a hole in my wallet.

    Any idea what the expected price range is going to be?
     
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  6. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #18006 SupaMario, Jan 17, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2023
    Put it this way. In 1994, when the sport lacked the popularity that it has now, the World Cup in 94 became the most profitable World Cup in history. And we've had tournaments in France and Germany since USA 94. It made a profit of 1.45 billion.

    The good news is that we will have more games, which will give people more chances to attend matches. The bad news, those matches will probably be Latvia v Sierra Leone. Getting tickets for Argentina will be difficult. You will probably have to pay the aftermarket price. What those prices will be will be any anybody’s guess.

    These were the prices in Qatar, at least according to AS, which was not that bad, considering all things. For example, a Category 3 seat, there were 4 categories(1 being the highest) a R16 was about $100 U.S. The final, for those tickets would cost you a bit more, at $600.

    But I just hope FIFA keeps the prices at these level, which would make accessible for most people. The problem is BOTs, where people could buy a bunch of tickets and hike up the prices. I guess we will know more a couple years down the road.

    https://en.as.com/soccer/qatar-2022...ame-tickets-and-how-can-can-they-be-bought-n/

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevep...-at-the-qatar-2022-world-cup/?sh=211d42d2538f
     
  7. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Couldn’t they get Masche a shirt with three stars?


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  8. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That’s not bad at all. I was thinking the cheapest tickets would be like $400-500 for even group games, and for the final a few grand and up (if you could even get your hands on one to begin with)

    Hopefully you’re right.. if they’re accesible like that then I might just have to travel to wherever it is in the states that they play
     
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  9. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Lucas Ocampos terminates his loan with Ajax early and returns to Sevilla’s legion of Argentines.

    I haven’t really been following La Liga, so I am a bit surprised to see Sevilla doing so bad: second-to-last, only ahead of Elche. Dear god, what a terrible campaign.

    Anyway, hopefully Lucas can now get regular playing time again and return to his old form. He could be useful for the NT and Scaloni always seemed to like him
     
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  10. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yeah, I hope so, too. I do not want to see any price gouging just because the tournament is being hosted in the US. The CAC tickets started from a 100 dollars or so, those were for the nosebleeds and for the group stages. I do hope it is FIFA that sets the prices rather than the arenas. FIFA will allocate a certain amount for the venues and they will go from there. We will see.

    But hey, we have the World Cup in 2026 and the Summer Olympics here in LA in 2028. But it’s not LA-LA for certain events. For example, mountain biking is going to be held in San Dimas. I can only imagine foreigners coming to SoCal and go to San Dimas and think “this is LA?”. Volleyball will be in Anaheim. But futbol will be played at the Rose Bowl.



    I think that ship has somewhat sailed. He had one really great season with Sevilla and I believe Scaloni had him pecked as a player he liked. Maybe even a backup to ADM but he lost it to Nico Gonzalez.


    Ocampos, Lanzini and Coco all were great talents. Unfortunate, through injuries and other aspects really hindered their careers. I was super excited about Coco. He should’ve stayed in Rome for at least another year or two.
     
  11. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I wouldn’t say that ship has sailed. As of right now he doesn’t have a spot, but he’s still 28 and was even called-up for some NT games in 2022 before the loan to Ajax.

    ADM has been great but lets be honest, he’s towards the end of his NT career even if he still has something left. And Nico is good, but we have to see if he stays healthy and if he prospers in his new club. Not saying it would be easy for Lucas to break back into the NT, but if he performs regularly at a top level for Sevilla then you never know.

    Unlike Lanzini and Lamela, Ocampos was for a long time one of Scaloni’s “bets”, and the fact that he was even called up for qualifiers in the same year as the WC shows that he’s still on the radar
     
  12. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well, yeah, ADM is not going to be at the next World Cup. We do have to start looking at our options. But if Lucas was not getting much playing time in Sevilla, he goes to Ajax and returns in 6 months, we are seeing a pattern. I wish him the best, and I hope he can turn it around but let’s what pops up in the next year or two before we go back to the well.
     
  13. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    He actually played quite a lot for Sevilla last season. Regular starter, just like he was the two consecutive seasons before that for them. At Ajax, yes, he was a bench rider and only got like 100 minutes in the 3 months he was there lol.

    And I agree it would be good to look at younger talents, I just wanted to clarify that this pattern you were seeing doesn’t exist.

    Anyway I’m just going by what I’m seeing, not necessarily what I want. If Scaloni was giving him minutes as recently as last year while he was still at Sevilla, I figure that means he’s still in his consideration to a certain degree.
     
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  14. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    So, if he was a regular starter, why would he leave? He wanted to hangout in Amsterdam or something? :D
     
  15. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Go look at his stats. 42 matches played for Sevilla in the 2021/22 season.

    I am not a Sevilla fan to be able to tell you what happened that caused the move. Maybe a falling out with the coach, maybe the arrival of reinforcements in July/August. I don’t know. But to say he wasn’t getting playing time in Sevilla last season just isn’t true.

    Maybe the move was financially motivated. It was originally going to be a €20m transfer, but at last minute was changed to a loan deal (€4m loan fee with €16m buyout clause). Sevilla were probably hoping he’d be a hit in Holland and could cash in on him.

    Anyway I imagine it won’t be easy for him to break back into Sevilla’s first team since he’s unexpectedly re-joining them midseason, but maybe their terrible form (and Sampaoli’s allegiance to Argentines) helps him somehow sneak back in
     
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  16. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I take your word for it. I did watch some Sevilla matches but I didn’t recall him.

    But again, he is 28, which, sure, is not old per-se in football, but you would’ve liked some consistency with him over the years. He has talent but I don’t know… He had one really good year and then dropped off. Scaloni called him up a number of times but probably did not see enough to have him back.

    It’s going to be interesting to see the players called up in the friendlies, if not in March but later in the year. He will have three plus years to construct another winner.
     
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  17. Progott

    Progott Member

    Nov 3, 2007
    Martinez starting for Manu today, garnacho on the bench
     
  18. aerez

    aerez Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #18018 aerez, Jan 18, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2023
    Argentina needs to address 4 important weaknesses they have.

    - Small defenders. It cost the team during the Netherlands game and the big players were able to out body the defenders like in the later stages of France game.

    - Fitness - players need to be more physically fit. Especially the younger players, there's no excuses for not being able to play 85 minutes at least. Just being able to contribute more fitness and speed and keep the pace at the later stages of the 2nd half is crucial, it cost Argentina issues in most matches.

    - Defenders who make small errors and weak judgment decisions. These errors that cost the team force errors or simple drop in clearing the line. Again it cost the lead several times. The two first goals from France and dibu save were all from errors from the Argentina back line.

    - Hot tempered players is still an issue. We need more players with Messi Mentality and not like Parades mentality. That stupid kick he did into the bleachers shouldn't have happened, a lesser ref would have looked at that as a red card. That could have cost us the game. Small moments like that ruin championship runs. That NEEDS to be seriously cut from the team. In other words, suck it up butter cup, be a man and just go out and win. It needs to be made clear if you ever show that type of attitude, you will never be called up again. I'm tired of these dumb Ortega moments every team shows.
     
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  19. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
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  20. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Lautaro Martínez can't stop scoring now, I think Higuain out a spell on him during the world cup :) :) :)
     
  21. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    To be honest, I’d much rather remember Lautaro’s good moments from the World Cup, as few and far between as they were. The pen vs. Holland, the first touch vs. France for Messi’s goal.

    Also, it is a ways to go, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Messi and perhaps even Di Maria would try to go for the 2026 WC - maybe as super subs.

    Finally, one thing I chanced about on Scaloni - which really shows his strong mentality. He said he hasn’t re-watched the World Cup final even once, because he was irritated that we didn’t close it out within 90 minutes.
     
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  22. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We should’ve closed out all of the games in 90 minutes. It was just bad luck. We dominated every game we played, even the one we lost. Nobody with an objective eye would disagree. All the matches should’ve ended how it ended in the Finalissima, a coronation of this team’s greatness.


    I’m fine with Lautaro. I just want to see him continue to score and win trophies.
     
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  23. Edhardy

    Edhardy Member+

    Sep 4, 2013
    Nairobi, Kenya
    Club:
    Juventus FC


    This angle of Messi's world cup highlights is really something special.
     
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  24. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Lautaro scored again in Supercoppa victory. A chip like the one he did againts Saudi. He has scored in 4 consecutive games since WC.
     
  25. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    A. Correa with an assist while Molina also involve in the other goal.
     

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