Argentine NT: News, Stats & Players [R]

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by jimmi_moh, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If those are the offers he's getting why didn't he just stay at Villa. Sheesh
     
  2. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    Where did you hear the rumors about Paz? Como can't afford to take a 30 million offer, and Leverkusen looks like a perfect fit!
     
  3. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It will be another loan. And do you know who owns Como?:ROFLMAO: The majority owners are two brothers who have a combined net worth of 48 billion, billion with a B. Yeah, they can afford if they like. But nevertheless, he could stay for another year. Leverkusen would also be a solid option but I think he needs to go somewhere that he can play every single match and that would be back at Como.
     
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  4. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    MU will make him looks like clown. Although he always seems to perform at top level for NT regardless his club form .
     
  5. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I do think his overall contribution is a bit too similar to Messi. Penetrating pass, accurate long shots and FK.

    Which is why I suggested Messi to starts from the bench against stronger teams. Almada is simply quicker and can run alot more than today's Messi, but Messi playmaking and shooting ability is second to none that he could always make the difference in second half, especially against tired legs. In fact Messi should have had few assists in these past two games if his teammates didnt waste it.
     
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  6. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    I agree, it's not the worst case scenario being in one of Europe's top leagues where he's getting a lot of time.
     
  7. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Mostly due to financial fair play in the Prem. Villa has been incurring losses for 3 years straight and need to sell to stay compliant.
     
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  8. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Echeverri being linked with a move to Lyon once the CWC concludes..
     
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  9. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It kind of doesn't really matter who Dibu plays for, he always plays well for the NT, so in that sense it doesn't matter which club he goes to. Although I can't help thinking he would be better off staying at Villa rather than move to the clown show that is Man Utd.
     
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  10. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That would be a good move for him.
     
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  11. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    So the official numbers have come out, and after taxes and fees Real Madrid is paying a grand total of $72M for Mastantuono. Franco is resigning his 15% commission and River is raking in $52m clean (to be paid in three annual installments).

    Historic transfer for futbol argentino, especially considering how he is not even 18 yet. We should have gotten similar numbers (if not more) for Julian, tbh, but it is what it is.
     
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  12. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    In this is what I just read it comes out to:

    The biggest transfer in Argentine football history. (Photo by Marcelo Hernandez/Getty Images)

    Of the total fee, €45 million goes directly to River Plate – which was the amount of Mastantuono’s release clause.

    The remainder is allocated as follows: €11.8 million in Spanish taxes, €1.4 million to Association of Football Players, €0.9 million to AFA Structural Funds, €3.6 million under Decree 510/2023, and €0.5 million in other fees.

    Prior to this:

    Enzo Fernández, River Plate to Benfica, £8.5 million plus £8 million in add-ons, and 25 per cent sell-on clause plus bonuses during negotiations = £36 million net or €42.5
    Javier Saviola, River Plate to Barcelona, €35.9 million
    Lautaro Martínez, Racing Club to Inter Milan, €25 million
    Julián Álvarez, River Plate to Manchester City, €23 million
    Sergio Agüero, Independiente to Atlético Madrid, €20 million
    Claudio Echeverri, River Plate to Manchester City, €18.5 million
    Juan Román Riquelme, Boca Juniors to Barcelona, €11 million
    Valentín Barco, Boca Juniors to Brighton & Hove Albion, €10 million
    Ángel Di María, Rosario Central to Benfica, €8 million

    Adjusted for today's dollars:
    Diego Maradona, Boca Juniors to Barcelona, €25 million
    Gabriel Batistuta, Boca Juniors to Fiorentina, €5.5 million

    Am I missing anyone?
     
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  13. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Some of those numbers are skewed. Saviola, for instance, only left River with approximately $22m (that 36m figure is the total including taxes and fees). So not quite the transfer fee River received, but what Barcelona paid. If we go by that metric, then Mastantuono’s transfer fee should be considered €63.2m and not €45m.

    I also think Aguero’s transfer to Atletico Madrid was slightly higher. And Enzo left approximately €52m to River after his transfer to Chelsea.

    In terms of players missing in your list:

    Higuain to Real Madrid (€12m)
    Exequiel Palacios to Leverkusen (€18m)
    Lucas Alario to Leverkusen (€19m)
    Aimar to Valencia (€22m)
    Tevez to Corinthians ($20m)
    Lucas Ocampos to Monaco (€14m)
    Gago to Real Madrid (€21m)
    Banega to Valencia ($26m)
    Lamela to Roma (€17m)
    Walter Samuel to Roma ($20m)
    Zarate to Al Sadd ($20m)

    A lot of these figures are give or take though (+/-), because different sources give different numbers.

    Anselmino, Pity Martinez, Driussi, Equi Fernandez, and probably a few others were also up there. Perhaps not sold for as much as Masta or Saviola, but still more than Valentin Barco and Di Maria.

    Lucas Beltran was also sold to Fiorentina in an operation that prospectively totals $25m, but only half of that was paid up front and the other half was in bonuses/objectives
     
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  14. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    Yeah, that's probably true. I used transfermarkt and those were the numbers they gave for his transfer. I noted Mastantruono's fee was strictly what River received. It's still the biggest earning to date of all transfers. I looked up Enzo's transfer from Benfica to Chelsea to get the details on % earned. I think in Europe it's a usual clause that if a player is developed and sold a % might go to the original clause. That's good. We should do it more often.
     
  15. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I know Franco did not pan out for River but Valentin is the more talented brother. Remember, he impressed when he played a bit for Scaloni. He is coming off an injury, so it will be interesting to see how he plays.

    Let's see if this manifests.

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  16. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Agree 100%. A bit late but whole first half was thinking too much overlap between Almada and Messi. As a result when M came to the middle, A drifted out of position to the wing. Not his spot and we lacked width. Thought both played decent but they don't fit together.

    The 2 wingbacks in 2nd half was interesting even tho Simeone was poor.

    Medina was solid, we really missed Mac these 2 matches.

    Alamada 8
    Julian 7
    Nico G 7
    Messi 6
    Paredes 6
    Medina 6
    RDP 5
    Ota 5
    Romero 5
    Simeone 4
    Molina 3
    Enzo 2
     
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  17. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    To be frank, I dont blame some players for not showing up their best form in this round, its holiday time and we already qualified months ago. Enzo didnt even look like he wanna be there. He even passed the ball straight into Colombia's player.

    Julian was posting pic of his holiday trip the very next day lol
     
  18. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We still got 4 points from the 2 games, despite there being absolutely nothing riding on thise games for us.

    PS; Julian must be having a short holiday, Atletico play PSG tomorrow :alien:
     
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  19. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yea, imagine how grueling the schedule for our Atletico players. Enzo and Lautaro will be there aswell. Including qualifiers, Julian must have played no less than 60 matches . :rolleyes:

    The team clearly stucked in the first gear against Colombia and only the red card finally forced them to step up the intensity.
     
  20. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Maybe counter intuitive judging Utd's form, but seeing the national team in recent games, I think it's a great thing for Dibu to go to Utd so that he can help build that chemistry with Lisandro (when he comes back from injury) and not make Otamendi an automatic starter at the LCB position for the national team

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  21. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Onana was terrible, so he'll make United a lot better himself, imo. On paper, they shouldn't be so much worse than Villa. Just a lot of nonsense going on.
     
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  22. Riquelme100

    Riquelme100 Member

    Villarreal
    Argentina
    Jun 30, 2018
    I was curious, are there better right-backs than Molina? He’s honestly so bad; he can’t defend or attack. All he does is hug the touchline and make backward passes. He’s easily bullied off the ball too. I don’t consider Foyth a right back anymore since he's much more effective as a center back now. We can’t go to the World Cup with Molina as our first choice. Please tell me there are better right-backs out there
     
  23. DrScorpio

    DrScorpio Member

    San Lorenzo
    Argentina
    Jan 6, 2022
    I don't think so, unless Giay goes to Europe this window and pray he does well
     
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  24. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    De Paul has been awful today vs PSG. He just cannot do anything. This has been a trend recently.
     
  25. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I don't know if he needs time off or if he's just cooked. Hopefully the former.
     

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