Argentine NT: News, Stats & Players [R]

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by jimmi_moh, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I hear you. My thought process is that if they go to a big club like a Liverpool or a Juventus and perform week-in-week-out at the highest level, it'll be much harder for Scaloni to dismiss that and just choose the likes of Pezzella and Otamendi ahead due to tactical reasons.

    I hope that after qualification is more or less secured, we'll be seeing more of the likes of Senesi than Pezzella. At this moment, I resigned to the fact that we'll see both Pezzella and Otamendi in the WC26. I'm hoping Balerdi will be ahead of them by then.
     
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  2. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #25252 Rattlehead, Nov 5, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2024
    To be fair, we've seen recently in all Copa KO stage matches that Otamendi was only a late sub. So I believe Scaloni already started to reduce his role. I dont think he'll start in WC 2026 even if he gets selected. Pezzella didnt even play at Copa KO stage.

    It seems that for time being, Scaloni sees them as replacement for Licha and Cuti in case they gets injured or suspended.
     
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  3. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Surely, surely Sensei deserves a call up, I mean Pezzella, come on.
     
  4. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    This is the part that worries me, every time Otamendi comes late as a sub post WC-22, I always remember him performing bad and in return the team performing bad. He doesn't bring the positive impact that the team needs, quite the opposite.

    Cuti and Lisandro are also vulnerable to injuries (even right now Cuti has a foot injury). I shudder to think if either of them got injured in like a WC quarterfinal, Scaloni will bring in either Otamendi or Pezzella. Not to mention the wrong subs that allowed the likes of Netherlands, France and Ecuador to equalize late.

    Otamendi and Pezzella will 99.9% be called up in March. Maybe Otamendi and Pezzella won't be called up in the June matches as the Club World Cup is happening and both of them are participating, but with Scaloni, who knows.

    The likes of Senesi, Medina, Balerdi are not guaranteed success, but we won't know how good they are for the NT until we give them more opportunities. Otamendi and Pezzella are not helping us now and they will probably perform worse with the WC in less than 2 years.
     
  5. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    He's not goin to be the best dribbler around. But he has got the drive & will to succeed & he does produce for his age. Similar to what most wingers of his age who have gone on to be very successful have. Have a look at Angelito's stats for Benfica at the same age. Not very impressive but par for the course.

    What would concern me is if he kept repeating the same mistakes & didn't work on his game. Right now if I was a coach despite his spectacular effort v Everton I'd be giving him extra shooting practice, work on his weak foot crossing & getting him to look up more & work on sprint acceleration.
     
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  6. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Mind boggling from Scaloni. Sure he won a World Cup & two Copa's & the Finalissima. Great but you want to keep winning. I'm sure he does too but he's not making a great job at moving the team forward.

    Pezzella esp. after his Libertadores horror show needs the boot immediately along with Otamendi. Perez has been decent but Senesi's stats are superior in a tougher league. I know several teams have scouted him over the season like Manchester United so we'll see a move next summer I am sure.

    Varela omitted too which is bizarre considering he is with Perez at Porto. A very solid season again & I am sure Liverpool who are still looking for a 6 will come calling. But really based on analysis these guys should not have to move to a so called big club in order to get selected.

    Barrenechea is a talent but really should be Perrone there if you are going on statistical analysis. Buonanotte has been impressive but needs to fill out & Taty has surprised me but deserves a call up given his form.

    But yes that defensive selection is shocking. Senesi's aerial dominance alone is a good enough reason to dump Otamendi & Pezzella. Medina, Maffeo & Soler being ignored is criminal. I suppose Equi is paying the price for Riquelme's foolishness. I mean no one takes the Saudi league seriously at all.

    Once again Lionel wake up & smell the coffee. It;s late 2024 & you have really just 12 months now to get that defensive corps settled & overhauled.

    Enzo also needs to be dropped. I would like Messi to have a word with him about having a settled family life. His mind seems to have wandered off football. Numerous misdemeanours, choosing the wrong club when really he ought to have stayed at Benfica & chosen perhaps Liverpool under Klopp. He really needs to sort himself out off the pitch before he gets back onto it. It's clearly affecting him. It would also send a message out to other players too. I mean we could have brought Perrone in for him. He should look at Julian & how settled he is & how much of a family man he already is.

    I would like to see our players rested more. It's my biggest fear for 26 that they will come into it exhausted. Similar to 2002 where Bielsa chose an exhausted & ageing core. Thought he would sweep everyone and didn't although the chances that were missed v Sweden esp. by Claudio Lopez will always hurt.
     
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  7. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007

    This.

    At this time, Scaloni is falling prey to almost every WC winning coach who feels this loyalty to an aging core and unsurprisingly the team gets dumped at the following World Cup.

    I pray that doesn’t happen to us, but Scaloni really is running out of time to incorporate a new defense.
     
  8. Loco

    Loco Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    May 1, 2005
    Miami
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    At this point I am convinced that Dybala is simply not Scaloni's type of player for a litany of reasons. In addition, I think that Dybala didn't vibe with the core players of this squad.

    I agree, Dybala will only get called up out of necessity never for preference going forward.
     
  9. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That could be a double edge sword for Scaloni. There's no doubt that tactical aside, he built a great team by creating good atmosphere and brotherhood within the team. He certainly values that aspect highly. Armani was included in every tournaments by Scaloni afterall.
     
  10. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    His finishing is very poor.
     
  11. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Atletico coming back from behind to beat PSG with goals from Molina and A.Correa.

    Argentina > France , as usual.
     
  12. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I just never realized that A.Correa is 1.5 years younger than Dybala. It feels like he's been around forever.

    Also, Paris isnt a bad place afterall.

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  13. Loco

    Loco Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    May 1, 2005
    Miami
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Nico Paz has so much class. He really does remind me a bit of Kaka. He is involved in almost every attack for Como and makes correct decisions and quickly. I hope he gets at least 20 mins in each game for Argentina.
     
  14. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Paris is a shithole.
    I'm glad you've hopped on that Nico Paz hype-train.
    Chew! Chew!

    I think he's got the skillset and size to play anywhere in the world. I'd personally hope he'd stay away from Madrid but who knows what happens.
     
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  15. aerez

    aerez Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The irony that paris a population of 2 million and buenos aires a population of 3 million in metro (14 m in the outskirts) is better feeling and looking than paris. Paris maybe 25 year ago was a beautiful first class european city,but not in modern times. Buenos aires without the Euro, with the poor dollar, with the tumolthous economy still feels and is more comfortable of a city to live in than Paris. Paris also feels more violent than Buenos aires. Everyone online says paris sucks, and on youtube everyone says buenos aires is amazing.
     
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  16. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Highlights of Paz.

     
  17. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Buenos Aires in it's layout & architecture is the Paris of the 1880s in many parts especially the plaza's and grand avenues & the parks. The amount of violence & criminality in Paris alone is enough to put one off. Tent cities, litter. It's not the Paris of La Dernier Metro or indeed Jules et Jim or Les Amantys du Pont-Neuf.
     
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  18. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I apologize for saying the same thing again, but I'm still flabbergasted. This is the month that included wins vs Man City and vs Arsenal.

    Not good enough to even be in the squad for Scaloni

     
  19. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #25269 Rattlehead, Nov 8, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2024
    To make it worst, Otamendi probably gonna scores a header next week and cemented his place in WC 2026.

    Enzo gets 3 assists , although its in Conference league.
     
  20. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    [​IMG]

    If Scaloni is not careful he may end up playing for Italy. I know he rejected them already but you never know. If I was him I'd be tremendously frustrated. I don't wat Scaloni is on but all the metrics clearly show Senesi is better.

    This is what is so frustrating about the world. People never make decisions on logic & rationality. Smell the coffee Lionel S.
     
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  21. Loco

    Loco Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    May 1, 2005
    Miami
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I, like everyone here, have had Nico in our radar for a while. And happy that he is flourishing at his role with Como.

    He is is an excellent young player that clearly has a high ceiling - no hype. But he will need to take on a more demanding role at a bigger club soon. Let him grow for a bit, but eventually he needs to be "the man" at big club.
     
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  22. aerez

    aerez Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I know, but a city is made up by it's culture, residents and atmosphere. Buildings are just a backdrop.
     
  23. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Damn… Icardi tore his ACL and will be out for the rest of the season

    Sucks, he was being linked heavily with a move to River in the upcoming transfer window
     
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  24. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Imagine if he went to River tore it up and the media forced Scaloni’s hand. Thaaaa well.

    Paredes is being linked to Boca. If does return, then you know damn well he’s not being dropped by Scaloni.
     
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  25. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meh he could and should assuage the Boca media by calling up Varela instead.
     

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