could someone keep an eye out for any argentine persepctives on this game? i would look but honestly wouldnt know where to look, or how to read it even if i found it... lol
Its probably gonna be on page 20 of the sports section being how embarrased they must be. Still not as bad as the fact they beat us in Basketball
But we didn't care when we lost to them in basketball! Sure, talk radio went on and on about it, but the average American probably didn't even take note.
If you can read Spanish, here's one. Can't say that it's exactly an "Argentine" perspective, however. If you enjoy babelfish, here is the tlansration (good luck): World-wide Sub 20: Argentina encounters before the 11/06/2005 United States 20:40:00 Argentina, champion in three of last five editions, lost east Saturday by 1 to 0 before the United States in the debut of both equipment by World-wide the Youthful Sub 20 that is made in Holland. Chad Barrett marked the goal of the North Americans, whose triumph would not have to be labeled as surprise reason why it has been seen in the playground. If the antecedents considered, the great victory of the United States would have to be considered like a feat before a surprise result. But he was neither the one nor other: the North Americans have won with justice, and until they occurred the luxury to fail to take advantage of a penal shot in the feet of Freddy Adu. The United States already began to demonstrate in the first minutes that his went in serious, and Chad Barrett counted on the first clear occasion of goal: he appeared free by the left and it ended with desire, but the arquero Oscar Eustari responded with success. Argentina has arrived at Holland with several players who already have experience in First Division, but all those parchments were not transferred to the playground. In any case, the forward of Argentineans Juniors Gustavo Oberman had in his feet the opening of the marker for ` albicelestes', to the 20 minutes, although its closing was given back by the wood with the arquero Westberg already overcome. And when Argentina seemed to take off definitively of above the nerves of the debut, the United States struck a lethal blow to him. It went to the 39 minutes, when Marvell Wynne removed a perfect center to the heart from the area, so that Chad Barrett fit its closing of head, of resentment to the ground. The chaval of the Chicago Fire, equipment of a MLS of the United States, began to knock down to the four times champion of the World in this category. But it still reduced long time, and the Argentine technician, Francisco Ferraro, it tried to give a blow of rudder commanding to the playground to Lionel Messi after the rest. The trainer almost hits the nail on the head, because the player of Barcelona changed to the face to the attack ` to him albicelesté, and a closing his was on the verge of becoming the tie. Lie as much, the United States waited seized by its opportunity. And after a pair of Argentine hints, the North Americans had it: when mediating the second time, Adu was demolished within the area and he himself was in charge of the penal closing. All waited for the happy outcome, so that the photo of so promoted player crossed the world with the full mouth of goal. But Adu ended direct to the wood, and the United States ahead had twenty minutes to pure suffering. In fact there were no clear occasions of Argentina and yes an accumulation of disordered approaches something, that facilitated the task of the American rear. Greg Dalby removed its gallons from captain, and commanded the resistance of its equipment. Argentina took leave with a defeat to the pocket and many questions facing its second party of the group, the next Tuesday before Egypt. It is that ` albicelestes' did not lose in a debut by World-wide Sub 20 from 1991, when they left the championship of Portugal in first stage.
Here's a story from Ole, http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v3/pagina.jsp?pagId=993665 Not tech savvy enough to baabelfish and too tired to translate, but the first paragraph says that while Argentina played well enough to tie, the United States also played well enough to win by a larger score ...
Of the summe rolympics and the sport we dominate? Americansd definitely took note, our players were villafied. Which made nos ense, since they were the only ones dedicated enough to go play.
I just want to know why he benched his best player for the first half. I can not take it in any other way as a slap in the face to the US team. He didn't think the US was good enough? What arrogance? Please explain
Translation: Mundial Sub 20: Argentina tropieza ante Estados Unidos 11/06/2005 20:40:00 U-20 WC… Argentina stumbles vs. USA Argentina, campeón en tres de las últimas cinco ediciones, perdió este sábado por 1 a 0 ante Estados Unidos en Argentina, champion of 3 of the last 5 editions, lost this Saturday 1-0 vs. the US in the debut of both teams el debut de ambos equipos por el Mundial Juvenil Sub 20 que se realiza en Holanda. Chad Barrett marcó el gol in the WC U-20 in Holland. Chad Barrett scored the US goal. del los norteamericanos, cuyo triunfo no debería ser tildado de sorpresa por lo que se ha visto en el campo de juego. Their win should not be called a surprise based on what was seen on the field Si se tuvieran en cuenta los antecedentes, la gran victoria de Estados Unidos debería ser considerada como una hazaña antes que un resultado sorpresivo. Pero no fue ni lo uno ni lo otro: los norteamericanos han ganado con justicia, y hasta se dieron el lujo de desaprovechar un tiro penal en los pies de Freddy Adu. if one takes into account history, the US victory should be considered more a great feat than a surprise result. However, it was neither the former nor the latter, and the US had the luxury of not taking advantage on a PK at the feet of Freddy Adu Estados Unidos ya comenzó a demostrar en los primeros minutos que lo suyo iba en serio, y Chad Barrett contó con la primera ocasión clara de gol: apareció libre por la izquierda y remató con ganas, pero el arquero Oscar Eustari respondió con acierto. US began to show in the first few minutes that they meant serious business and Chad Barrett had the first clear chance on goal: appearing free on the left and shooting with desire, but the goalie Eustari answered appropriately Argentina ha llegado a Holanda con varios jugadores que ya tienen experiencia en Primera División, pero todos esos pergaminos no se trasladaron al campo de juego. Argentina arrived to Holland with various played already with experience in the First Division, but all those accolades did not translate onto the field De todas formas, el delantero de Argentinos Juniors Gustavo Oberman tuvo en sus pies la apertura del marcador para los ‘albicelestes’, a los 20 minutos, aunque su remate fue devuelto por el palo con el arquero Westberg ya vencido. Nevertheless, Argentino Juniors’ forward Oberman had in his feet the opening goal for the “white and light blue”, at 20 minutes, even though his shot hit the post with the goalie already beaten Y cuando Argentina parecía quitarse definitivamente de encima los nervios del debut, Estados Unidos le asestó un golpe letal. and when Argentina looked to be getting over the debut’s jitters, the US struck the lethal blow Fue a los 39 minutos, cuando Marvell Wynne sacó un centro perfecto al corazón del área, para que Chad Barrett ajustara su remate de cabeza, de pique al suelo. El chaval del Chicago Fire, equipo de a MLS de los Estados Unidos, comenzaba a tumbar al cuatro veces campeón del Mundo en esta categoría. it was in the 39th minute. When Marvell Wynne let out a perfect cross into the heart of the box, so that Chad Barrett was able to aim his header into the ground. The Kid from the MLS’ Fire, began to knock down the 4 time champ in the category Pero restaba mucho tiempo todavía, y el técnico argentino, Francisco Ferraro, intentó dar un golpe de timón mandando al campo de juego a Lionel Messi tras el descanso. But a lot of time still remained, and the Argentine coach Ferraro tried to switch the course of play sending Messi into the field after the break El entrenador casi da en el clavo, porque el jugador del Barcelona le cambió la cara al ataque ‘albiceleste’, y un remate suyo estuvo a punto de convertirse en el empate. Mientas tanto, Estados Unidos aguardaba agazapado por su oportunidad. The coach almost nailed it, because the Barcelona player changed the face of his team’s attack, and one of his shots was about to become the tying goal. Meanwhile, the US waited on the back for their chances Y después de un par de insinuaciones argentinas, los norteamericanos la tuvieron: al promediar el segundo tiempo, Adu fue derribado dentro del área y él mismo se encargó del remate penal. And after a pair of Argentina half chances, the Americans had them: in the middle of the second half, Adu was taken down within the box and he himself took charge of the PK Todos esperaban el feliz desenlace, para que la foto del tan promocionado jugador recorriera el mundo con la boca llena de gol. Pero Adu remató directo al palo, y Estados Unidos tenía veinte minutos por delante a puro sufrimiento. everyone awaited a happy ending, so that the picture of such a recognizable player would travel around the world wit his face full of “gol”… But Adu kicked the ball straight at the post and the US had 20 minutes in front of them filled with suffering…. En realidad no hubo ocasiones claras de Argentina y sí un cúmulo de aproximaciones algo desordenadas, que facilitaron la tarea de la zaga estadounidense. Greg Dalby sacó sus galones de capitán, y comandó la resistencia de su equipo. In reality, there were no clear Argentina chances, instead there were quite a few disorganized forays which facilitated the US backline’s job. Greg Dalby showed his captain’s color, and led his team’s resistance….. Argentina se despidió con una derrota en el bolsillo y con muchos interrogantes de cara a su segundo partido del grupo, el próximo martes ante Egipto. Es que los ‘albicelestes’ no perdían en un debut por el Mundial Sub 20 desde 1991, cuando se marcharon del campeonato de Portugal en la primera fase. Argentina bid farewell with a loss in its pocket and many questions heading into the the group’s second game vs. Egypt…. Argentina had not lost in its U-20 WC debut since 1991, when they were eliminated in Porugal in the first round…. Alineaciones: lineups Argentina: Ustari; Barroso, Cabral, Paletta y Fórmica; Zabaleta, Biglia, Gago (m.76, Cardozo) y Armenteros (m.46, Messi); Vitti y Oberman. Estados Unidos: Westburg; Wynne, Marvell, Spector (m.37, Sturgis), Ianni y Freeman; Adu, Dalby, Gaven y Feilhaber; Barrett (m.85, Szetela) y Ochoa (m.60, Peterson) Gol: m.39, Barrett (USA). Arbitro/Ref: Terje Hauge (Noruega). Cancha/Stadium: Enschede, del club FC Twente. Amonestados/Cards: Vitti, Paletta (AYellow). Gaven (EU/Yellow). Al minuto 71, Adu desperdició un penal. Minute 71st, Adu wasted a PK Juan Lirman
In many ways, you have to have been brought up in Argentina to understand some of these moves sometimes... in 1977-78, El Beto Alonso was arguably Argentina's best player... but Menotti didn't play him (he didn't bring in that upstart Maradona kid either)... and they won the World Cup... in 1982, the arguments about who should play (the young or the proven) ran rampant... in 1986, guys like Cuciuffo, Brown, Giusti, Batista, Olarticoechea, and Enrique became stalwarts in the line-up that won the World Cup... all while the "coaches" at home criticized Bilardo... it's part of Argentine (and in many ways world) culture to have these huge disagreements... take note that none of the players on the Argentine side are from River Plate while a bunch are from Boca... don't think this has gone unnoticed in the press or by the fans... i'm sure Ferraro thought he could beat us without Messi... but it's not so much disrespect... it's more confidence that it doesn't matter who you're up against... Menotti was right once... Bilardo was right... maybe Ferraro will be proven right at the end of this tourney... just wasn't right today...
Hey, wait a minute. An Argie reporter who thinks Wynne can cross? Someone tell the other thread quick.
From the linked article: ... la gran decepción del equipo nacional porque el debut tan esperado terminó con sabor amargo. Estados Unidos, mientras, festejaba una valiosa y sorprendente victoria ante un candidato. ... a great deception from the [Arg] national team because their much anticipated opening match ended up leaving a bitter taste. Meanwhile the USA celebated a valiant and surprising victory over one of the favorites. SURPRISE!
Wow 16 hrs. later and no one mentions them IMO, This is THE Best Online Soccer coverage a print newspaper does. lucky argies www.lanacion.com.ar welcome to how US online soccer coverage could be years from now... article was up 1 hr. after game ended. They mispelled Adu as Abu. To their credit its now fixed. The Debut least considered - Argentina plays bad, reacts late and loses 1 to 0 vs. the US in Holland. two days from now they'll measure themselves vs. Egypt The North American Selection is an organized rival. Who knew the US team would turn German? "Even when the german team plays bad - they still manage to win" - german soccer motto.
WORLD-WIDE SUB 20: ARGENTINA 0 - THE UNITED STATES 1 from Ole http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v3/pagina.jsp?pagId=993866 translated by babelfish (weird translation) WORLD-WIDE SUB 20: ARGENTINA 0 - THE UNITED STATES 1 Uncomfortable Messiento The Argentine joyita started again in the bank and again it entered to save the clothes. It did not reach, because the equipment never did place to him like taking advantage of its game. Mariano Murphy. to mmurphy@ole.com.ar[ NSCHENDE (ENVIADO ESPECIAL). "Iu-it is -ei, iu-it is -ei, iu-it is -ei", they shout and they shake flags the Yankees, who festejan noisy, spectacular, circus, so that the world watches them to festejar. They shake little flags and iu-it is -ei, iu-it is -ei and, with the quarrel that we have, they give desire to send them go home. Argentina lost with the U.S.A. and the worse thing is than, beyond the raised one that showed the equipment in the second time, it lost well. We could it have tied, yes. But we could more also to us have eaten some golcito. He hurts to say it but the Yankees won to us deservedly. They are not Holland of the 74 either but of entrance they showed an attitude that we did not have, decision to go to look for it and audacity. Yes, they had more audacity than we, who we played decidedly badly. Was not him the return to a surprise one I raise rival to leave to win and here we are now with the disquieting sensation of which more cannot be failed because, is not joda, those that go home we are. Question: Argentina mistook the formation? The sensation is that yes. Simplest, already with the put result, it would be to fall in the obviedad of which the Messi explosive must have played from we go. That was clear when pibe entered and changed the one party. That sencillito. It was fundamental in the raised one: in first that did it dragged two rivals and already it showed what all we know, that is different. With his entrance it gave more verticalidad him to an equipment that lateralizó and that had fallen asleep much in a intrascendente toqueteo, that until often had sinned of excessive and taken to risk too much in the exit. Biglia and Gago play Barbarian, but they are players for the short one. And without Insipid, outside by injury, and without Messi, outside by decision of the technician, who qualified to those of above? Nobody. No of the steering wheels was given off, no faced. Except for Armenteros, that counted times was animated to happen, later it did not have who touched and it go to look for. And thus it was made so difficult that a time was #***aed-refl mng. Yes, Argentina gave the first time with Messi seated in the bank. Why did not play the one of the Barsa from the starting? Pancho Ferraro explained in press conference that, with injury of Insipid, bet to that Vitti was the one that threw meters more back and Oberman, that was of the mejorcito, moved by right and left. For the DT, Messi is a player to locate it near the rival area well, "he feels there comfortable", usually says. And we agreed. Messi is not enlistment, clear. Messi is not a Striking one. Messi is a Aimar, if a parameter is wanted. And this, added to the fact that in the South American he broke it whenever entered the ST and it did not play as he can play when he was titular, inclined the balance so that the technician was decided to do what did. The showy thing is that in the only practice of formal soccer that Argentina did since it arrived at Enschede, when Insipid it left injured the one that replaced it was Messi, that was there of end and the one that tried to enlist went Gago. Now, when it entered yesterday, the position of pibe of the Barsa was not defined absolutely. Sometimes it started from back as an enlistment, sometimes were well of end. And here it is worth to take a break and to indicate a small thing: Pinto Messi phenomenon, is not a phenomenon. This difference is fundamental. All the balls cannot be thrown him and be hoped to that pibe solves with three or four rivals eating to them the heels. He is not the Diego. It has to go, to arrive, to accompany it with people. After the sight yesterday, they are not left doubts that Messi cannot lack in this equipment. With the class that it has, to leave it outside it is to give much advantage. Too much. It is understood that perhaps its explosion can weigh was more if it enters the second time, but yesterday clearly that we are not for throwing butter to the ceiling. Eye: to cut the veins either to us. We were not a disaster and variant it has. The equipment can include a Messi that plays where it hurts but that also it throws meters back and it enlists, with people who break in the line of steering wheels and accompany. It is that Argentina has players to recover badly of this drink. Of that there are no doubts
I’ll save some of you the trouble of trying to read that Babelfish massacre of the English language, with some of the good stuff from the articles, which you are going to fvcking LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111 LA NACION quote “The Northamerican squad confirmed the evolution of their youth. There was a collective system and some individuals left their footprint, like Freddy Adu with some fancy play, but with the misfortune of missing a penalty.” OLE quote “We could have tied the game, yes. But, it’s also true that we could have eaten another one as well. It hurts to say this but the Yankees won deservedly. No, they are not Holland of 74, but from the beginning they showed an attitude that we didn’t have, the decisiveness to look for the game and boldness. Yes, they had more boldness than us, which played decisively bad.”
Don't you mean "massacre" of the Spanish language.... i guess it does kill both..... Will try translating one more article .....
Translation ENSCHEDE, Holanda.- Hay ciertas conjunciones de hechos que uno sólo imagina en el fútbol. There are certain turn of events that one can imagine only in futbol ¿En qué otro tipo de circunstancia podría haber tanta contraposición entre las expectativas previas y el resultado final? where else could there be so much disparity between what was expected and the final result? Porque el estreno en el Mundial Sub 20 fue un duro paso en falso para la Argentina. Inesperado. La conclusión final es que no fue un debut satisfactorio. Because the debut in U-20 WC was a tough false turn to take. UNexpected. The final conclusion is that it was not a satifactory performance Hubo poca demostración de fútbol y le costó imponer la supremacía que le auguraban las presunciones. There was very little showing of futbol and it was difficult to impose any type of supremacy that the preview to the game would have foretold Con la derrota 1 a 0 ante EE.UU. en la apertura del Grupo D, el equipo argentino dejó dos imágenes: aquella que mostró titubeos, un juego contenido y con muchas desprolijidades en el primer tiempo; y también la otra, la del adelantamiento en la segunda parte con el ingreso de Lionel Messi, que le dio otro vuelo al conjunto y que dejó abierto el interrogante: ¿por qué no jugó desde el arranque? with the defeat 1-0 vs. the US in the opening game of group D, the Argie team leaves two images: one that showed hesitance; and also the other one, with the more offensive showing in the second half with the intro of Messi, who gave his team another dimension, and left this question up in the air: Why didn't he start the game? Igual, la derrota no se puede reducir a un solo punto. La incertidumbre predominante en el juego tuvo varias explicaciones. Anyway, the defeat cannot be reduced to one single issue. The uncertainty of our play had many reasons.... El nerviosismo, la expectación y la lejanía, entre otros aspectos, influyen y tienen peso entre la técnica y la estrategia. La experiencia en primera de los juveniles argentinos no logró desatar las nudos ante un rival más suelto a la hora de tomar decisiones. nervousness, high expectations, and distance -i guess refers to how far HOlland is from Argentina- have influence and take a toll in between the technical and tactical/strategical aspects... The first division experience in teh Argentine youngsters was not able to make the team untangle its webs vs. a team that was looser when it came to making decisions on the field También hubo errores posicionales. Si bien el grado de dificultad se elevó para la Argentina en el primer período con el gol de cabeza de Chad Barrett, también es cierto que el seleccionado permitió, con pasajes de nerviosismo e inacción, que EE.UU. alcanzara un dominio preocupante. there were also positional errors..Even though the level of difficulty rose for Argentina in the first half due to the US goal from the Barrett header, it is also true that the Argentina NT allowed the US a worrisome control of the game, with nervous passages and inaction, (on their part-ARG's)) Sobre todo en el primer tiempo, la Argentina careció de protagonismo para imponer el ritmo en el medio campo, donde Lucas Biglia y Fernando Gago chocaron constantemente. Los juveniles de Ferraro no se pasaban la pelota entre ellos, ya sea por la imprecisión en la puntada final o por encontrarse sin enlace con los de arriba. Especially in the 1st half, ARG lacked the control to impose any rhythm at midfield, where Biglia and GAgo clashed constantly.. These youngsters did not pass the ball to each other much, due to either imprecision, or for not having the proper nexus to the forwards/players up top Se marcaron las virtudes del rival y las carencias propias. El seleccionado norteamericano confirmó su evolución en los juveniles. Se vio un criterioso sistema colectivo y algunas individualidades dejaron su sello, como Freddy Adu, con algunos lujos, pero con falta de fortuna para aumentar la diferencia en el penal. La Argentina estuvo contenida; ni Zabaleta ni Armenteros tomaron las riendas por los costados; no pesó el despliegue de Oberman y Vitti se enredó en los intentos individuales. It was then that the virtues of the rival and our own shortcomings shone through.. The US team confirmed its progress/evolution at youth level.. One could see a very measured colective system on their part, and some individual players who left their mark, like Adu with some fantasy plays, but unfortunate in adding to the score with his PK. Argentina was contained..neither Zabaleta nor Armenteros were able to exploit the flanks, all the efforts of Oberman were for naught, and Vitti was ineffective in too many individual displays La Argentina cambió con el ingreso de Messi, que reemplazó a Armenteros. El volante de Barcelona, con técnica y siempre hacia adelante, le cambió la cara al equipo y tuvo más presencia ofensiva, aunque desperdició un centro de Oberman y un cabezazo de riesgo sin marca. Argentina changed with Messi's entry, who replaced Armenteros... The Barza midfielder, with technique and always going forward, changed the face of the team, and created more offensive presence, even though he wasted a Oberman cross and a dangerous header unmarked La reacción no fue suficiente. Quedaba claro que el reconocimiento a la Argentina no podía resumirse a su intención de ataque, que encaró en la segunda etapa, algo tan obvio y previsible como el esquema conservador de EE.UU. Interesaba el cómo, la variedad de respuestas y la manera de encontrar la profundidad. Y en todos estos aspectos quedó aplazada. El seleccionado no supo encontrarle la vuelta a un rival ordenado. the reaction was not enough ..It was clear that Argentina could not limit itself to having "intentions to attack " That faced them in the 2nd half, which was obvious and predictable, as much as the US conservative scheme... And in all these aspects they were blocked... the team was unable to turn around the game vs. a very organized team Algunos futbolistas argentinos se quejaron por la rapidez de la cancha. No vale como justificación. El apuro, algunos pelotazos frontales y la obnubilación para resolver en los últimos metros no son atribuibles al césped regado por la lluvia. some players from Argentina complained about how fast the field was. This is not worthy as an excuse. The rush to play, some vertical long balls, and the lack of finishing cannot be blamed on a field peppered by rain En el camino aún quedan Egipto y Alemania y, aunque la derrota se encargó de potenciar los riesgos hacia la clasificación, la Argentina deberá apelar a las condiciones anímicas y futbolísticas para enmendar sus errores. on the way Egypt and Germany remain, and even though the loss does increase the risks towards qualifying, Argentina must appeal to its attitudinal and footballing conditions to correct its mistakes Por/By Martín Castilla Enviado especial /Special envoy
I remember when Winning Magazine (I think it's now is merged within Velo News) reported the American crowds in the 1984 Olympics saying, "You-es-ay! You-es-ay!" Mariano Murphy sounds like Wilbon. Good writing!