PBP: Argentina Vs Brazil - Super classico -October 11 2014

Dunga's side a defensive disciplined side? I recall a certain Felipe Melo be very disciplined in South Africa. There is nothing disciplined about his team, get ready for a ton of kicking, grabbing. Can't believe the CBF would give that 40 something Bart Simpson looking another chance. Whatever, that's on them.

 

Exactly, defensive attitude dont equal discipline. Brazil committed 45 fouls in 2007 final and in any other day that's probably a 3 man sent off. Brazil also applied alot of kicking in recent World cup , that's all to cover up their lack of of quality. Even forward like Neymar was instructed to kick opponent. David Luis certainly capable of popping up and score from deadball situation but as always they're also exposed at the back especially if Alves also play.

 

They did that to everyone, they finished with 10 men twice during the WC. Against Holland and Portugal. Amazingly though they didnt get any sent off despite 45 fouls in 2007 final. Nice ref.

 

Holier than thou?. Argentina has been guilt of the same in the past, plus the hand of god world cup how can that be forgotten.
That said this is a friendly, i dont expect a foul ridden match esp since fernandino and ramires are injured.
Should be a great game like one before olympics at nj

 

This is how the team practiced yesterday

Romero
Zaba--FF--Demi--Rojo
Perreyra-Masche-Pastore
Messi--Aguero--Di Maria


Seems too attacking for a park the bus team!

 

Brasil will park the bus?

 

Even though this team looks offensive (IF this is what the team will really look like), I really like the fact that Pereyra and Pastore are being given a chance. We really missed a skillful midfield for some time now.

I know Pereyra will track back --- not sure about Pastore. But it's a friendly, so it is good to do these experiments.

 

By virtue of his WC performance, I think we can forgive him that.

 

That back line looks slow. I know Tata is a defensive manager and I believe that Micho will be done after the Copa, but I believe there is a blunder or two written all over this game from the defense. The attack looks progressive, looks like it is a completely different attack that of Sabella. This is an attack that might play into Brasil's hand though, an attacking team that is disrupted by fouls, fouls and more fouls. I didn't really watch their friendly vs Colombia, but I hear it was a nasty game with a ton of fouls. Lets hope they do not play like that again, there are plenty of times in the next few years which there will be non-friendly games among us. With that said, I believe they will sit back and counter, and which is why I believe this defense will allow goals.

 

I say he is One of the most underrated centre back in the world. His performance improves in the argentine uniform

 

-------------------Romero-----------------
Zabaleta--Fernandez--Demichelis--Rojo
--------------Mascherano-----------------
Pereyra ------- Pastore---------Di Maria
----------Messi----------Aguero----------

Not too shabby. Pereyra and di Maria cover both flanks when necessary. Pastore will need to do some more tactical work. He needs to grab this opportunity. Messi and Kun have their empathic relationship.

Defence is a bit weak centrally. No idea why Garay is omitted. Hope it's not a long term choice by Tata. Plenty of young options. Such a shame Musacchio missed out. And also young Kranevitter who will make more than an admirable replacement for Mascherano. He could also have learnt directly from the lion. But his time will come sooner rather than later.

 

I agree with @SuperMario the D looks very slow and the midfield is isolated with Mascherano the only defensive mind. Idk why Pastore is playing in that position he will be underutilized because he'll have to defend alot which will take away his offense

 

Also the team will set up exactly this way


Romero
Zaba--FF--Demi--Rojo
------Masche-Pereyra
Pastore---Messi---Di Maria
-----------Aguero

So Pastore will occupy the OMF position on the right flank with Messi in the middle and Fideo as the LM. Pereyra will play the CAM role and i assume Martino wants him to overlap and create offense from the back to disrupt Brazils setup.

It seems like Zaba will be asked to stay back at all times because of the lack of help he'll get from Pastore. We'll see how this pans out i dont mind Flaco but i would prefer someone with a little more defensive grit to his game.

 

To be honest, I dont mind seeing Tata experimenting alot for this match. Apart from the rivalry between the two , we have nothing to proof in none competitive match like this especially with the WC just ended 2 months ago and then we beat the world champion itself few weeks ago. Hopefully we could get a draw at the worst. I remember the match back in 2007 (or 2008?) , we lost 3-0 and Basile made like 7-8 subs during the match which disrupted the team flow in second half.

Also, hopefully Garay disclusion is just temporary.

 

You mean 4.

Brasil: Gomes, Cicinho (Maicon, m.66), Lúcio, Juan, Edmílson (Cearense, m.68); Gilberto, Elano (Baptista, m.77), Silva, Robinho; Fred and Daniel Carvalho (Kaká m. 59).

Argentina: Abbondanzieri; Zabaleta, Coloccini, Milito, Rodriguez (Somoza, m.46); González, Mascherano (Samuel, m.46), Riquelme, Bilos (Insua, m.72); Tevez (Sergio Agüero, m.66) and Messi.

 

Tbh i thought Diego had better selections than Coco

 

Will be very interesting to see how the predicted starting eleven is set up tactically. Pereyra, Pastore, Di María, Messi & Kun is insanely attacking. I like it