Argentina : Copa America 2019 discussion

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by Rattlehead, Jun 5, 2019.

  1. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    Had Dybala scored that volley off of the Messi pass, it would have been one of the goals of the tournament.
     
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  2. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Di Maria makes the most basic of mistakes. That pass to Otamendi was comical, him dribbling between three players and getting the ball stripped. When he’s on, he’s on, but his IQ for the game is as bad those Chilean neck-tattoos.
     
  3. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    He was offside for that, just but the flag did go up.
     
  4. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Yes, he's not a tango footballer. That's another reason why he gets so much criticism. Doesn't matter. He's been a top 3 player of ours for 10 years. Starting with the 2008 Olympics. This is the first competition that he's been poor.
     
  5. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Di Maria showed he can still sprint pass defenders but he simply dont have that quick footwork anymore. Also, his footballing IQ stops growing since 2014. He never really evolve when it comes to decision making.

    He's still a great players in his prime from 2010-2016 , he was fast and scores many wonderfull goals. That zig zag run that won Real Madrid the 2014 final. that cross for CR against Barca that won them Copa del rey, the winning goal in Olympic final, those goals against Switzerland and France... he always delivers those type of moments every now and then.
     
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  6. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    De Paul was our best player during the tournament. I wonder if he could maintain this intensity for a season. He might be the type of player who is more legendary during these short tournaments than career-wise.
     
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  7. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    By the way, the foul for Chile’s pen was outside the area.

    Foyth also said the same thing.

    Even with VAR they got it wrong.
     
  8. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    Messi has refused to accept his 3rd place medal. The team are on the field now to collect their 3rd place medals and Messi is still in the locker room #CopaAmerica

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  9. pregra

    pregra Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Dec 1, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Our best players this Copa IMO

    1. De Paul
    2. Paredes
    3. Messi (stepped up when the going got tough)
    4. Lautaro
    5. Hm... Armani perhaps

    Worst (of those that played more than 30mins)
    1. ADM
    2. Lo Celso (very disappointing)
    3. Otamendi
    4. Saravia
    5. Acuna
     
  10. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    3rd place match is really pointless. Except for Olympics.
     
  11. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    AFA, Messi and everyone on the team needs to speak about this. It doesnt matter what the outcome, but they need to come out and say it.

    The one sided refereeing is even more obvious on this match compare to previous match against Brazil. They certainly wants to give a bad rep on Argentina while playing on their home soil.

    In today's game though, Chile still lost. I'm excited on this new team ahead of next year tournament and WC qualifier.
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  12. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Of course it's subjective.
    1. De Paul
    2. Paredes
    3. Tagliafico
    4. Lautaro
    5. Agüero

    Otamendi played well. No big mistakes.
    Acuña did his role.
     
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  13. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    My personal top 5

    1. De Paul
    2. Lautaro
    3. Aguero
    4. Tagliafico
    5. Messi

    Tagliafico really made some great tackles and he knows how to foul while avoiding yellow most of the time. Even when he fouls them, its usually in safe distance, far from the penalty box and I love when he keep sticking his foot so opponent just cant settle when being marked by him.

    Not far behind Messi would be Dybala. He had an assist when he came in against Qatar, now scored against Chile when he started. Dybala probably only played like 90-100 minutes in this tournament.
     
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  14. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
    Apr 10, 2011
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I totally forgot about this game. Messi's second red of his career, I believe. So, he'll miss the first group game next year. Glad ARG won.
     
  15. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  16. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I don't expect his red to be rescinded now...
     
  17. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    In English:

    Messi: "Maybe (being sent off) was mandated (from above) because of what I said. I didn't go ti the awards ceremony for many reasons. We don't have to be part of this corruption."

    "I always look to be truthful. I look to be honest. That's what keeps me calm. If what I say has repercussions, that is not my problem. you have to be clear and sincere, in this and all aspects of life."

    Otamendi: "Leo is right. It is quite evident that
    @Argentina were not wanted in the final."


    Scaloni: "It is quite evident. I've seen the replay and I am not sure what he did. The ref decided and VAR did not intervene. That is their job. It was all strange. Wonder if the ref would speak publicly."
     
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  18. Buffonfan

    Buffonfan Member

    Jun 26, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Argentina should appeal that red card for Messi, I think it was harsh.

    If I remember correctly, so Messi was trying to get the ball from that Chile player, he got frustrated so he push that Chile player off the line. Then that Chile player got mad and chest butt Messi like MULTIPLE times. Messi didn't even chest butt back at all, as that Chile player continue to chest butt him to provoke him. Then bam, referee came and gave Messi a red card.

    To me with what Messi did, that a yellow, not red.

    Softest red card ever. UGH!! Argentina need to appeal this!!!!!
     
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  19. Buffonfan

    Buffonfan Member

    Jun 26, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    And I adoreeee Dybala, I don't know what the beep deal Juventus got with Dybala, trying to sell him and shi-t. They treat him terrible.

    I'm an Italy national team fan, and a Juventus fan too. But I feel bad for Dybala, maybe Dybala should go to a Spain club.
     
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  20. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    I love Dybala too, but he really needs to get out of Juve — no offense.

    They are after Lukaku, a battering ram of a forward, so that CRonaldo can benefit more.

    They also want to ship Dybala to Man Utd in exchange for Pogba.

    Dybala should go to Inter, or a Spanish club. Juve have repeatedly treated him like garbage.
     
  21. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    Medel: "I think Argentina was badly hurt against Brazil, it was unfair, Brazil had to have expulsions and they did not get it. I feel admiration not only for Messi but for the entire Argentine team."
     
  22. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I’m surprised the ref didn’t stick his foot out when Lo Celso made the pass.
    Lukaku will likely end up at Inter. Juve want Icardi but so do a couple other teams. Inter have to unload him to make room for Lukaku.

    I am kinda interested seeing what Sarri can do with Dybala. No Spanish team will go after Dybala. They have their players, and Dybala going to Atletico would be a nightmare.
     
  23. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    A lot of chatter now that because Messi spoke out today, we will get the “decisions” our way in Copa 2020.

    Not sure if true.

    Also, that if Messi had gone down — like Neymar and CRonaldo would have done — he would never have gotten the red card. Sad, but perhaps true — being fair and standing your ground hurts you more than play-acting. Current state of affairs in the world.
     
  24. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #1599 Rattlehead, Jul 6, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2019
    Many people probably didnt even watch when he got those 2 reds since they're friendlies & 3rd place match... but when they try to find out about it on youtube, they'd be surprised & dumbfounded since both times he did notHing wrong :)

    To be fair, Im not sure why Argentina should panic just because there's no Messi in first match of next year Copa. Watching the last few games, they're clearly had improved dramatically after the first two games that I totally convience they could handle whoever we play in that firsrt game without Messi presence

    With the likes of Dybala , Lautaro , De Paul, Lo Celso, Parades, plus having a better subs such as Santiago or Icardi instead of Mori & ADM, we should do fine without Messi. Remember that Messi missed the first game in 2016 and we won that game
     
  25. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Medel was sent off for violent conduct -- head butt and push. Messi should not have received any card whatsoever. Also, Argentina deserved 2 PKs versus Brasil. Where is VAR? It doesn't exist in Brasil I guess. Disgraceful.
     
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