Argentina : Copa America 2019 discussion

yes but otamendi wasnt even the last defender he could have pulled him down for a yellow....

Their goals: a series of fortunate events

 

I’ll honestly tell you that its not an excuse for the way both CBs defended the counter. The first goal was Otamendi looking like a complete clown and the second goal was two CBs looking slow and incompetent in tackling. Thats inexcusable. I’m not even going to mention the substitutions that were way off. Lo Celso and ADM have been terrible so why bring them on?

 

Who would you have brought on?

 

Remember when Maradona mysteriously benched him for otamendi vs germany in 2010 lol

 

Nobody! He did not need to make a sub. Argentina were playing well and chasing a 1-0 lead. Don’t just sub for the sake of subbing!

 

I actually agree 100% I would have kept Acuna even if he wasnt playing great because he offers more than di maria but its very hard for me to fault scaloni on anything. he tried his best

 

People need to riot for Gallardo to take the helm

 

Got it. So then the narrative would’ve been “Somebody should tell Scaloni he could use his subs. What an amateur!”

 

In the 3rd place, let us at least try Messi-Dybala ——— if Messi wants to play next year.

We need to use these useless matches for something.

I saw enough in this group that I believe we can win it next year.

We hopefully will have Kannemann, Palacios, Zaracho — others as well. Hopefully, Romero will be blooded in and established.

We lost on 2 terrible decisions.

 

Well, Brazil kinda did that to us. They were sitting back and trying to hurt us on counter attacks+ errors by the defenders

 

Messi should stay and keep trying.

Tonight you have to be proud. If you're gonna lose, this is the way to do it leaving everything on the field.

Obviously there were refereeing mistakes, obviously the field was horrendous.

But one big question I have. How were both their goal scorers so wide open? We never get chances like that. We have to pull teeth just to get to their goal. But they get two wide open tap ins. Reminds me of the game vs Germany in 2010.

Overall, this team showed great potential tonight. I'm looking forward to the WC qualifiers and maybe next year's Copa...

 

Feel like we really missed a guy like Battaglia. He and Parades wouldve controlled the midfield even more. These short brazilian playeres wouldve been manhandled in the middle.

 

Both Acuna and De Paul were exhausted. Remember, we were on 1 day rest. He also had a yellow. We were still dominating after Scaloni's changes so it's not like he made bad changes.

I questioned some of Scaloni's decisions but pretty much every match, his subs have improved our team play and that's the measure of worth, not whether he puts our favorite player on.

 

Is he coaching for the narrative or the win? A coach should be able to read a game and determine the need to get a win. The team did not need a sub. They were manhandling Brazil and hitting the post on multiple occasions. All he had to do was let it play out. His subs did not help one bit.

 

Yea, we did that under Sabella but we did it with style and had a four headed monster that had the ability to punish any team. But our counterattacking was not only our offense but our defense. Cholo just defends defends defends. You need fast players who can do that now.

 

He is coaching for a win. I know for a fact people would’ve complained if he didn’t make a sub if the goal didn’t come. There was no guarantee it was. Perhaps Acuña was running out of gas and one clumsy tackle, and knowing this ref, he would’ve had the team with 10 players. Then what? He had the choices that needed to be done. Same goes for De Paul, he worked his ass off on both ends of the pitch, he needed to bring in fresh legs.

 

True, ADM was completely out of it, unfortunately...

 

This might be the angriest we’ve ever seen Messi in an interview: “They called a ton of bullsh*t in Copa America. Unbelievable that VAR wasn’t used today. I hope CONMEBOL does something about this but surely not, because Brazil commands too much power in the organization.”

#SelecciónArgentina Messi: "Ojalá la Conmebol haga algo, aunque no creo que haga nada PORQUE BRASIL MANEJA TODO, es muy complicado" pic.twitter.com/L1wHpzG6d9

— TyC Sports (@TyCSports) July 3, 2019

 

Seriously— we lost on 2 terrible, terrible decisions.

Clear-cut decisions. We outplayed them for long periods of the game at their home.

You can’t win against blatant cheating, or whatever it was.

 

One come from disorganized defense. No excuse on that one. Think we were too frenetic.
The other came on a counterattack. They didn't really give us any counters except maybe that one where Aguero held it up.

It was a strange match cause I was expecting Brazil to absolutely dominate possession. After all, Venezuela did with 60%! We were supposed to soak it up and play direct with our disjointed forwards. I think Scaloni was going for this, but then strangely, due to our high intensity, we started holding the ball and taking it to them. It looked nice, but maybe it backfired in the end. Or maybe we just got unlucky. We did have 14 shots to their 4 and many of ours were very good shots, not desperation shots with 8 defenders in front.

 

In ice-hockey you get a 5 minute major for this.

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This is still the best strategy for Argentina although we're too proud to do it. I've said it one thousand times. We play tight defense, counter football we win the world cup and get to the final with Bilardo. We do it with Sabella, we get to the final. All the other times we've tried "tango" football. The match against Venezuela, we win 2-0.

I've gone from being pro "tango" to pro "Bilardoesque" football to not really caring anymore. If people prefer to try to win with style, but with less chance, I'm okay with it. If we want to be more pragmatic, I'm fine with it too.