Are there players who don't deserve to be in MLS ?

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by sams_soldier, Dec 17, 2003.

  1. sams_soldier

    sams_soldier New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    I'm a new MLS convert here. So i was wondering......

    Now more and more big shot youth players come into the league each year to bump out not-so-good players.

    If teams have players who don't deserve to be on the roster, MLS will get better faster than usual.

    Are there players like that? save a bunch of last year signees.
     
  2. NorwichBu

    NorwichBu Member

    Jan 9, 2002
    Columbus, OH
    Greg Andrulis. oh wait, he's not a player.
     
  3. red&black1

    red&black1 New Member

    Mar 8, 2003
    Kearny NJ
    Kenny Arena
     
  4. dub77

    dub77 New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    in denial
    There are still players that "don't deserve" to be in the league but the numbers have decrease every year. Teams still can't afford to pay for quality players 1-24(or whatever the player total is). It's just the nature of the best right now.
     
  5. dabes2

    dabes2 Member

    Jun 1, 2003
    Chicago
    I'm going to take this more to mean guys that actually see playing time, because there are lots of guys at the end of the bench that really belong in a reserve league.

    In Chicago, I nominate Orlando Perez.
     
  6. ToddP25

    ToddP25 Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Richmond, VA
    There are guys in every league in ever country in every sport that don't deserve to be there.......be it a roster spot, or a starting position.

    it happens.....
     
  7. whirlwind

    whirlwind New Member

    Apr 4, 2000
    Plymouth, MI, USA
    Are there players who don't deserve to be in MLS?

    Yes. They're commonly referred to as "the Dallas Burn".
     
  8. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    Mr. Hanki....

    He's a coach but he can take talent and make them play like S%^%&T
     
  9. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  10. galperin

    galperin Member

    Feb 1, 2001
    Maineville, OH
    There is at least one on every team. It will get slightly worse when MLS expands to 12 teams soon. Unfortunate, but true.
     
  11. mactheknife

    mactheknife New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    Baton Rouge, LA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
     
  12. TomEaton

    TomEaton Member

    Mar 5, 2000
    Champaign, IL
    I think it's sort of a meaningless question. If you mean, are there a bunch of guys in the A-League or in college who are loads better than the guys playing in MLS, then the answer is no. Sure, there are a few guys who move up and displace an inferior player. That's what happens in every league in every sport. Younger, better players replace older, inferior ones.

    I don't agree that there are many players who are being given playing time in MLS when there is a clearly superior alternative. Kenny Arena may not be a very good player, but after a few games that became obvious and he lost his playing time. That's the way it's supposed to work. I can name dozens of current and former MLS players who got or are getting significant minutes despite not being very good players. The real question is, is there a superior, currently-available alterative? My observation is that when such situations arise, the clearly superior alternative gets the job pretty quickly.
     
  13. mpruitt

    mpruitt Member

    Feb 11, 2002
    E. Somerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    There was an expansion thread where a few of us were talking about its effect on the quality of the league. We'd tried to figure out just exactly who'd been bumped out. I'll try to dig it up. But it was sort of asking the same kind of thing you are but in a different way.

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83037

    That's the thread. It's a pretty in depth discussion as to the sort of MLS version of the Mendoza Line.
     
  14. chinaglia

    chinaglia Member

    Jan 25, 1999
    Florence, SC USA
    Club:
    Motherwell FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Richie Williams...and of course Kenny Arena.
     
  15. RevsGuy06

    RevsGuy06 Member

    Feb 5, 2001
    england 2.0
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sarcastic or not, i second that.
     
  16. SankaCofie

    SankaCofie Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    Skorgolia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Brian McBride

    worst

    player

    ever
     
  17. Crazy_Quakes_Fan

    Crazy_Quakes_Fan New Member

    Jul 23, 2002
    San Mateo, CA
    What's up with anti-McBride sentiment?

    Regardless, there are countless players who don't "deserve" to be on MLS rosters. In fact, there are quite a few on San Jose's roster. Players that most teams would pass over, but out of whom, Frank Yallop exhumed solid play and consistency (well, not always.) These would include the likes of Jon Conway, Craig Waibel, Chris Roner, Ian Russel, and Manny Lagos. None of these players are exceptional, but they were all essential to the Earthquakes's success this season.

    Yes, there are A-League players that would be better suited to MLS, and vice versa. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that most of the players that succeed in MLS from the A-League are forwards or keepers. While the jury is out on Thiago Martins at D.C. United, Dwayne DeRosario has certainly shown he is capable of hanging with the best of them in MLS.
     
  18. Bonaventure

    Bonaventure New Member

    Oct 4, 2000
    Gilbert, AZ
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. el cucharon

    el cucharon Member

    Mar 17, 2003
    friendship village
    Simon Elliot
     
  20. FairWeatherFan

    Sep 9, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Tony Meola...




    ....is awesome!!!!! Psych!!
     
  21. Keep87

    Keep87 New Member

    Apr 24, 2003
    North Carolina
    But I think Curtis Spiteri takes the cake for the player least deserving to play in the MLS...
     
  22. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Kenny Arena. However......


    Clint Mathis thinks he doesn't deserve to be in MLS, but I don't exactly think that's what the author of this thread had in mind.
     
  23. prk166

    prk166 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 8, 2000
    Med City
    Actually with the small cap, to me it seems that the cap bumps out some decent players who have experience and forces teams to throw young pups to the lions in hopes they can play.
     
  24. mpruitt

    mpruitt Member

    Feb 11, 2002
    E. Somerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83037&perpage=15&pagenumber=4

    quoted from Kenn:
    Actually, I can help you a little bit.

    There were 289 players who played in MLS in 2001. There were 240 players who played in MLS in 2002.

    By my unofficial count, 94 guys who played in MLS in 2001 did not play in MLS in 2002. Now, that could be because they rode the bench the entire 2002, or were injured, or whatever. There are some guys who I don't know if they actually made a team in 2002. Some retired. But if they played a minute in 2001 and didn't play a minute in 2002, they should be on this list:

    Adams, Kevin (Columbus)
    Agogo, Junior (Colorado-San Jose)
    Aguilera, Roland (New England-Columbus)
    Allnutt, Yari (New England)
    Alvarez, Leonel (New England)
    Alvarez, Pedro (MetroStars)
    Ammann, Mike (DC United)
    Anderson, Kevin (Tampa Bay)
    Aunger, Geoff (Colorado)
    Bankov, Kalin (Tampa Bay)
    Bardales Jr., Isaias (Los Angeles)
    Beasley, Jamar (New England-Chicago)
    Beskovic, Mersim (MetroStars)
    Bilyk, Jeff (Miami)
    Bishop, Ian (Miami)
    Bower, Scott (San Jose)
    Bravo, Paul (Colorado)
    Brose, Dario (San Jose)
    Burciaga Jr., Jose (Kansas City)
    Burns, Mike (Kansas City)
    Butler, Michael (MetroStars)
    Caligiuri, Paul (Los Angeles)
    Cannon, Scott (Tampa Bay)
    Cassar, Jeff (Miami)
    Cate (New England)
    Causey, Jeff (New England)
    Ching, Brian (Los Angeles)
    Chulis, Matt (Chicago)
    Comas, Alex (MetroStars)
    Cooks, Judah (DC United-Miami)
    Cooks, Micah (DC United)
    Dade, Eric (Dallas)
    Dawes, Chris (Colorado)
    DeBrito, John (Columbus)
    Demmin, Craig (Tampa Bay)
    Dougherty, Mark (Columbus)
    Duhaney, Mike (Columbus)
    Eck, Ted (Dallas)
    Elcock, Ansil (Columbus)
    Fernandes, Narciso (Kansas City)
    Fernandez, Jose (New England)
    Gibson, Neathan (Colorado)
    Gilmar, (MetroStars)
    Gramenz, Don (Tampa Bay)
    Green, Michael (Kansas City)
    Gregor, Andrew (Kansas City)
    Guthrie, Rivers (Colorado)
    Hayes, David (Chicago)
    Hernandez, Luis (Los Angeles)
    Jair (Tampa Bay)
    Jakins, Tahj (Kansas City)
    Johnson, Brian (Kansas City)
    Johnston, Mo (Kansas City)
    Joseph, Miles (Dallas)
    Kartes, Gus (Tampa Bay)
    Keller, Josh (Tampa Bay)
    Kelly, Brian (Tampa Bay)
    Key, Lance (Colorado)
    Klinger, Fausto (MetroStars)
    Klinger, Martin (MetroStars)
    Krakowiak, Wojtek (Tampa Bay-San Jose)
    Kubik, Lubos (Dallas)
    Lewis, Andrew (Chicago)
    Longo, Mario (Columbus)
    Lowe, Onandi (Kansas City)
    Maessner, John (Tampa Bay)
    Marino, Pete (Miami)
    Martinez, Chris (Colorado)
    Mayard, Josue (Dallas)
    Merkel, Randy (Miami)
    Munoz, Albert (Tampa Bay)
    Myers, Roy (MetroStars)
    Okoh, Matt (New England)
    Pena, Danny (Tampa Bay-Los Angeles)
    Prince, Chad (Chicago)
    Sahaydak, Tim (Miami)
    Santel, Mark (Kansas City)
    Schneider, Paul (Tampa Bay)
    Semioli, Mark (MetroStars)
    Simmonds, Greg (Miami)
    Simpson, Mark (DC United)
    Snitko, Chris (Dallas)
    Sonora, Diego (Tampa Bay)
    Sunsing, William (New England)
    Trittschuh, Steve (Tampa Bay)
    Valencia, Adolfo (MetroStars)
    Vanney, Greg (Los Angeles)
    Watson, Mark (DC United)
    Weinstein, Cordt (MetroStars)
    Woan, Ian (Miami-Columbus)
    Wood, A.J. (DC United)
    Woods, Alan (New England)
    Wright, Mauricio (New England)
    Wynalda, Eric (New England-Chicago)

    Those 94 guys averaged 11 games in 2001, 7 starts, and about 677 minutes.

    The guys who played the most minutes in 2001 who did not play in 2002 were:
    Chris Martinez, Colorado (2189)
    Mike Duhaney, Columbus (2164)
    Mauricio Wright, New England (2156)
    Ian Bishop, Miami (2115)
    Greg Vanney, Los Angeles (2032)

    I don't have time to check on what happened to all those guys, though some of the names you'll recognize and know immediately what happened (like El Matador and Wynalda).

    So it didn't take the whole offseason. But I've spent enough time on it already. Maybe more later.
     

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