Apple's new music service & new iPod

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  1. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
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    I don't know if everyone has seen it or not, but Apple unveiled their new music service today and new iPods.

    There are 10,15 and 30 gig iPods, they will be for Win and Mac all in one you won't have to buy a separate one. They're lighter than the weight of 2 cds in their cases and thinner higher contrast screen, FireWire connector on the bottom, new dock, back-lit buttons, buttons above scroll wheel, line-out on the dock, USB 2.0 (firmware in June) adapter cable $19, Mac and Windows in one box.
    iPods add AAC support. On-the-go playlist directly on the iPod. Customizable main menu. Alarm and 2 more games -- solitare and parachute

    Here are some details...

    - all songs .99 cents per download.
    - over 200,000 songs already and more to go
    - free 30 second previews for all songs
    - 128kb aac encoding (NICE!)
    - Exclusive tracks from artists that aren't on any other music service
    - offer cover art as well if you want to print it
    - can burn a playlist 10 times before having to make a change (so people don't make tons of
    - iTunes 4 (for Mac users)
    - the "music store" is easily accessible through iTunes 4

    they're showing a live feed of Jobs' speech and demo at http://www.msnbc.com/m/lv/default.asp?0cm=c30
     
  2. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
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    Damn, beat me to it.

    I was not keen on this when it was leaked last week, but now I would use it.
     
  3. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    As would I, it looks like it can be a really great deal. Now let's hope they get some of the smaller labels up and running.

    I know I'm ordering my new iPod today... 30 gigs baby!
     
  4. obie

    obie New Member

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    US only, Mac only.

    Windows by the end of the year. No word on when it goes international (that's probably a massive legal issue).
     
  5. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
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    Two things that they could / should do with this:

    -- Set the album price competitively; not just at the retail price. Even with the technology cost this is much, much cheaper than manufacturing cd's and selling them in retail stores.

    -- Something more for .mac members?
     
  6. amerifolklegend

    Jul 21, 1999
    Oakley, America
    Anyone have a picture of the new iPods?
     
  7. obie

    obie New Member

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    New iPod: http://www.apple.com

    The ad of the white guy singing "Baby Got Back" is classic. Damn that's funny.
     
  8. amerifolklegend

    Jul 21, 1999
    Oakley, America
    Thanks, man. (it wasn't up yet when I checked a few minutes ago.)

    Any news on when the old ones are gonna drop in price? I heard that they were supposed to drop a hundred bucks each starting today, but can't find any info on that. They have to drop more than that eventually, I'd think.

    I'm sure places like Best Buy and the Apple store still have some laying around that they need to get rid of.
     
  9. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
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    The 5 and 20 GB versions are going away and the newly-designed 10GB will be at the old 5 GB price point of $299. 15 GB = $399; 30 GB = $499. With the 15 and 30 versions you also get the new dock, remote control and carrying case.

    You might be able to get one of the older 10 GB versions for real cheap, though I don't know for sure.
     
  10. amerifolklegend

    Jul 21, 1999
    Oakley, America
    I think I'll just hold out for a while. I know that plenty of places still have the old ones out there - including the Apple Store at the mall. I'm thinking that they at least have to get rid of them somehow. I'd like to get the 20GB one for $200 - either at a place that needs to ditcht them or on ebay.
     
  11. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    9.99 for complete albums, which isn't too bad. You also get the cover art which is cool.

    I like the streaming video as well.


    For those too lazy to go to apple.com

    [​IMG]
     
  12. obie

    obie New Member

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    Is it $9.99 for everything? If so, that's a very good deal. (I'm on a PC at work and will have to wait to check out the store at home.)

    Just remember to continue to support your local record store with all of your indie label purchases!
     
  13. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Everything except double CD's.

    I hope appple signs the indy labels, the record shops around here suck and are a p.i.t.a to deal with for anything indy labelled.
     
  14. obie

    obie New Member

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    After taking the service for a bit of a test drive, it's impressive but not there yet. Too many albums are not available for full download (listed as "by song only"), and not enough catalog albums of some major artists. And they need to get indies on board if I'm ever going to use it extensively.

    With all that said, it couldn't be more user-friendly. Exceptionally easy to find what you want, and as it gets used the suggestions section will be a huge plus.

    Ironically, there's no Metallica on the system. Eminem, on the other hand, has his full catalog, a free-for-viewing video of "Sing For The Moment", and "exclusive" tracks.
     
  15. obie

    obie New Member

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    One other thing -- the 99 cents per song thing works to your advantage if you're buying something that has under ten tracks. For example, Coltrane's Blue Train is $4.95 on this service.

    No Beatles, no Stones, no Doors.
     
  16. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator

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    So did anyone buy music yesterday? I had to get a couple of songs, where I didn't really want the whole album -- Godzilla by Blue Oyster Cult and Stranglehold by Ted Nugent.

    At some point, I'm going to go through the catalog with my "America's Top 40" book in hand so I can pick up on any of those songs from the early 80s that I don't already have. :D
     
  17. obie

    obie New Member

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    Not yet, though I'll probably buy a couple of things over the next few days just to check it out.

    However, I'm concerned about the AAC format and my ability to transfer songs from iTunes to my Nomad 10 GB mp3 player -- it looks like I have to burn the AAC file to cd, then use the cd to burn to the Nomad. There's no AAC-to-mp3 program out there now.
     
  18. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    I bought a couple songs yesterday, it was easy as pie. So far I'm pretty impressed with the service, now all they need to expand the selections.

    obie: You won't be able to burn the aac's to CD then rip them as an mp3. That's part of the "beauty" of the aac format for Apple and the music industry.
     
  19. obie

    obie New Member

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    Actually, it appears that the Nomad might support AAC. But you wouldn't know it from the Creative Labs web site, since it only says it supports "MP3, WMA, WAV and future file formats".

    Looks like I'm going to have to buy something for a buck and just try to upload it.
     
  20. TheWakeUpBomb

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    Wait, so some of the songs are only in AAC format?
     
  21. obie

    obie New Member

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    All of the songs in the store right now are in AAC, which is fine for nearly all of its customers because:

    -- Only Apple customers can use it
    -- It can only be accessed through iTunes v 4.0 music app
    -- iTunes 4.0 and Apples everywhere recognize AAC

    Once a Windows version comes out before the end of '03, there will almost certainly be mp3 and/or WAV versions of everything. The only people who can use the store who are not happy with the AAC format are (a) major audiophiles who can't stand anything below cd quality, and (b) people with non-iPod mp3 players that can't play AAC (Rio, Archos?).
     
  22. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    AAC format is supposed to by cd quality sound, from what I've heard it's better.
     
  23. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    So um, has anyone bought anything yet?

    The problem right now is that the song selection is so small, whatever is there, I can easily download via filesharing with little time and trouble.
     
  24. obie

    obie New Member

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    Bought an album last night pretty much just to try it out ($6.93 for Springsteen's Wild, Innocent & E Street Shuffle), and it worked perfectly. Couldn't be easier, and it was an album for which the "cover art" isn't important if/when I make cd copies. There's a poll on Spymac saying that about half the people bought at least one thing to try it out in the last two days.

    One neat thing -- If you buy something through the store and play it on iTunes, the album cover shows up in the lower left corner.

    I agree that the selection needs to improve and they need more full albums, but you have to think that that will happen over time.
     
  25. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    What's cool is that you can import album covers into iTunes as well. I use www.allmusic.com and get about 98% of the album covers for the music I have. All you have to do is drag the image into the iTunes box. It's so easy.

    I got about 5% of the way through and it took me 2 hours to do. Needless to say it's going to take a long time.

    The neat thing is I would put images of the band if I had an mp3 that was taken from a bootleg or an exclusive song that was never released in an album.

    I'm really starting to like what they offer.
     

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