Apple TV buys all MLS broadcast rights for 10 years

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  1. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, of course it is a huge difference. You aren’t handing an old newspaper to the next guy. You are putting the article in the public domain where 1 billion more people can read it, and with no benefit to the original creators. That’s not fair to them, and it’s illegal.
     
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  2. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Welp, I guess that's confirmation that it's not going as well as they had hoped.

    I think that it's possible that the change in the calendar is in response to Apple bowing out of the deal early. The league / owners may feel like they may start to need to take some more chances to try get to the next level and be taken as seriously as the euro leagues.
     
  4. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, Apple decided not to throw in the towel at 5 years. So that means they still have some hope for MLS. But, they are terminating the deal when Messi leaves, right? So maybe their hope really lies in Messi, not MLS.
     
  5. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    A billion people read the Quakes board on Big Soccer?
     
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  6. SalinasQuakesFan

    Mar 27, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Are you a copyright lawyer speaking from experience, or just stating an opinion as fact?
     
  7. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, I didn't pay close attention. So sounds like they could have ended it in 2027, but extended to 2029. So not the original 10 years, not a bail at 5, but a bail at 7. Kinda in-between.
     
  8. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So Apple is lifting MLS from a paywall to put behind another paywall. Pretty much stays the same for for season ticket holders. <yawn>
     
  9. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the deal ends early (6.5 years instead of 10 years) and MLS is getting $50 million more, does that really suggest "it's not going as well as they had hoped"?

    The original deal was finalized before MLS added players like Messi, Son, Mueller, Busquets, Alba, Suarez, Giroud (lol)... one of those being the best player in the history of the sport... did they really expect it to go better than it has, and if so based on what?



    One paywall is much lower than the other? Also the vast vast majority of people out there are NOT season ticket holders?
     
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  10. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Why is Apple ending the deal early if they're happy with how it's going? :thinkingemoji One would have expected a big push when all those players joined. If they saw promising results I don't see the incentive to end early.

    As for MLS, I see the change in calendar as a kind of admission that they need to take a bit of a risk and try to ratchet up and raise the level of the league at a faster rate.
     
  11. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
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    Leicester City FC
    It’s a violation of copyright and not allowed on Bigsoccer. Small snippets only please.
     
  12. SalinasQuakesFan

    Mar 27, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Your own terms of service say third party content is allowed as long as credit is next/adjacent to said content.

    And how does copyright impact video links and the like?
     
  13. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Now do AI. :)
     
  14. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Earthquakes and Bay FC
    United States
    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Please review the governing US copyright law -- https://www.copyright.gov/title17/

    The owner retains all rights to the material, including reproduction and distribution. You can copy in full only with permission. It doesn't matter that you're not charging people and that BigSoccer is free; it's still illegal.

    You can, however, provide links, quote a line here or there (with attribution, considered fair use) or summarize the article in your own words.

    The TOS (https://www.bigsoccer.com/help/terms) do in fact say:
    By posting content on the Websites you warrant that you are the creator and owner of the posted content, or that you have obtained prior written consent to post said content from a third party owner.

    I'm not sure it could be clearer? Even if this weren't in the TOS, the law is the law and not toi.
     
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  15. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/a...s-for-10-years.2121318/page-113#post-43336036

    :)

    Have the providers of generative AI received permission for the use of the content? :thinkingemoji

    I'm arguing in favor of (original) content creators BTW.
     
  16. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Earthquakes and Bay FC
    United States
    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    For starters, I hate generative AI, but it is (or should be) original content, even if presented in a robotic fashion. I use chatbots extensively for research (not content creation, because I'm way better at that than any bots that exist today) and they seem careful to cite sources and not to plagiarize. Mostly they are way faster at combing through websites than I am.
     
  17. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here, but that "original content" presented in "robotic fashion" is the result of the scanning of millions of documents of original content. Did the content creators give their approval for that?
     
  18. SalinasQuakesFan

    Mar 27, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    When posting content originating from any third party, you agree to conspicuously post the name of said third party adjacent to said posted content.
     
  19. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Earthquakes and Bay FC
    United States
    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    You can make that point, but there's ample case law that doesn't agree with you.
     
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  20. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, by my last count. :D
    anyway, it’s > 1-2 people in a barber shop.
     
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  21. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    TSS pointed out that with MLS Season Pass, you had to go thru 2 logins — one for Apple TV and one for MLS. So with new deal, it’s one less login…
    I dunno, made sense to me.
     
  22. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    With 12” black and white TV you turned a knob to the desired station.
     
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  23. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Earthquakes and Bay FC
    United States
    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Ah, the good old days, when I knew how to turn on a television.
     
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  24. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
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    United States
    But what do you do if you don't have a young child laying on the floor to do that for you?
     
  25. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even if that 12” black and white TV was still working (which would be increasingly unlikely considering how much harder finding old, often discontinued parts gets over the years, as I’d witnessed first hand having had an electronic-technician father), you’d still need (as of June 2009) an analog-to-digital converter box to watch anything on it or any TV sold before 2008/2009 for that matter (TV’s sold afterward had and still have such converters already built into the TV). :eek:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     

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