Apple TV buys all MLS broadcast rights for 10 years

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  1. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
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    Not really a meaningful comparison, as it's putting a claimed average across all games against ESPN's single, approximately weekly, featured national game. If you took the average of all games across all of the scattered regional broadcasts in 2022, it would also be well below ESPN's 343,000.

    But also, we shouldn't take Garber's claims all too seriously, as there is no independent verification nor did he mention the methodology to get that number.
     
  2. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
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    i have a feeling that both the Apple and ESPN numbers were calculated the same way, i.e., take total subscribers and divide by # of games that match week. And ESPN would have much bigger subscriber numbers because they would be counting everyone on cable, right? I doubt neither is counting actual views.
     
  3. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

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    The ESPN numbers are Nielsen ratings for a single national TV game most weeks.
     
  4. Goodsport

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    May 18, 1999
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    The latest episode of “Quakes Exclusive” (Season 3, Episode 29) is now available to view in the San Jose Insider section of the San Jose Earthquakes page of MLS Season Pass. :thumbsup:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  5. Goodsport

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  6. Goodsport

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    May 18, 1999
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    The latest episode of “Quakes Exclusive” (Season 3, Episode 30) is now available to view in the San Jose Insider section of the San Jose Earthquakes page of MLS Season Pass. :thumbsup:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  7. xbhaskarx

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  8. tectonicnight

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  9. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I'm not sure what "innovations" would make the games more appealing to me. Just show the games and do a good job with the camera work and have decent commentators. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't really care that much what the graphics look like, and I'm not a huge fan of their "win probability" thing, which is of course for the sports gamblers. But at what point are you just trying to squeeze blood out of turnip. Making the games available in more languages is a plus though, sure. But that's not an innovation really, even if they're gonna use AI to do it. That's more of a "how" and not a "what".
     
  10. Goodsport

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  11. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Ironically, the Athletic is behind a paywall.

    I can guess the upshot, because I predicted it. People don't wanna pay to stream MLS games and therefore viewership sucks.
     
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  12. Goodsport

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  13. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
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    That’s interesting. The Quakes just sent me an email saying that MLS Season Pass is going away for 2026. It will only be available with an AppleTV subscription, which i will get as part of being an STH. So I guess I will save $11 a month as I won’t need to subscribe to Apple TV separately.
     
  14. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    So for season ticket holders, the pot is sweetened a bit - we get a free AppleTV sub, which includes MLS and all the other Apple TV stuff.
     
  15. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
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    Well, that’s the way I read the email…
     
  16. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, I looked at it, and that's what I got out of it also. I'm not sure I'm interested in the rest of the AppleTV stuff but I do watch movies from time to time on AppleTV and pay a fee for those movies. But I don't think that's gonna change unless it's AppleTV produced content.
     
  17. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
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    I don’t find that much to watch on Apple TV. It’s kind of “prestige TV” that has story lines I don’t care for, although the production values are always excellent. But I just watched the Steph Curry documentary Underrated, which I thought was great. And I loved the Murderbot series and Schmigadoon series, I keep thinking I should cancel it cuz I can’t find much to watch on it, so it’s nice I’ll get it for free next year.
     
  18. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I don't watch any of those "series" things. I might be interested in the Curry doc. I mostly watch art house films - mostly foreign. That's what I'm into now anyway.
     
  19. SalinasQuakesFan

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    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6804777/2025/11/13/mls-apple-tv-end-paywall-season-pass/

    MLS, Apple TV to bring games outside of extra paywall in 2026: Sources

    Stacy Revere / Getty Images

    By Paul Tenorio
    Nov. 13, 2025Updated 1:27 pm PST
    PALM BEACH, Fla. — MLS will no longer be behind a separate paywall on Apple TV beginning in 2026.

    MLS and Apple have agreed to alter the partnership agreement at the end of the 2025 season, multiple sources told The Athletic. MLS Season Pass will no longer exist, and all MLS games will be available on the Apple TV streaming service. (Apple rebranded Apple TV+ to Apple TV.)

    It’s an important change for the MLS-Apple deal, which put every MLS game behind a paywall that cost fans for $14.99 per month or $99 for the season. While the streaming service provided a far better broadcast experience than the local TV deals for diehard MLS fans, it also made it much more difficult for the league to reach new fans.

    The standard Apple TV subscription is $12.99 per month or $99 for an annual plan. MLS season ticket holders will get a free subscription, a source told The Athletic.

    Coming out from behind a separate paywall will make MLS available for all of Apple TV’s subscribers. Variety reported that Apple had 45 million subscribers, but on a recent podcast appearance Apple executive Eddy Cue pushed back on those projections.

    “We haven’t said what our numbers are but we’re significantly more than that,” Cue said.

    Apple also recently signed a five-year deal with Formula 1 that begins in 2026, giving them more sports offerings and opening MLS to F1 fans who subscribe to the service, too (Apple TV and Peacock also launched a bundle last month starting at $14.99 per month that allows fans access to both MLS and the Premier League). MLS soft-launched this plan by making more than 200 games available outside of the MLS Season Pass subscription. Those games did reach bigger audiences, on average.

    MLS also brought the entirety of its 2025 postseason out from behind the paywall.

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    F1 must now navigate the slipstream of Apple’s previous media deals with MLB, MLS
    The $140 million per year partnership brings together two glamorous brands, but previous sports leagues have had mixed results on Apple TV.

    The league signed a 10-year, $2.5 billion contract with Apple beginning in 2023. MLS bundled all of its local, national and international rights as part of the contract and has been running all of production for MLS Season Pass.

    Some fans have criticized the deal because it makes the MLS product harder to find, both locally and nationally. MLS and Apple have worked together to try to increase distribution via deals with Comcast and DirecTV.

    Despite the challenges, MLS executives and stakeholders have remained optimistic about the potential of the partnership.

    “The story on the Apple deal will be written over time, because I think we were ahead of the curve,” MLS deputy commissioner Gary Stevenson told The Athletic this week. “I like the fact that all 600 of our matches can be accessed globally by one touch of your finger. And I think over time, as the world transitions, and you’re seeing it right before your eyes right now … we have a partner that is willing to make changes with us to better serve the consumer. And I think you’re going to see some changes in the future that are going to be better and better and better and better, and that property is growing and growing and growing.”

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    By Paul Tenorio
    Senior Writer, MLS
     
  20. Goodsport

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    #2795 Goodsport, Nov 14, 2025 at 4:25 PM
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2025 at 5:58 PM
    I typed into Grok:


    Grok responded:


    Thoughts >

    As a long-time MLS fan already subscribed to Apple TV (formerly Apple TV+), you're in a prime spot to dip into Formula 1 without any extra cost starting in 2026—when Apple becomes the exclusive U.S. broadcaster for all F1 races, including practices, qualifiers, and Grands Prix. This means live F1 streaming will be bundled into your standard Apple TV subscription (currently $9.99/month), just like MLS matches are now. No separate F1 TV Pro add-on needed, and it'll integrate seamlessly with features like Apple Sports for real-time updates, leaderboards, and even Lock Screen widgets on iPhone.


    Why It Could Be Worth It for You

    F1 and MLS share some appealing DNA that might hook you: both are team-based competitions with high-stakes rivalries (think McLaren vs. Ferrari mirroring Inter Miami vs. LAFC), passionate international fanbases, and a focus on athletic precision under pressure. MLS has grown massively in the U.S. thanks to Apple's polished production—clean interfaces, no blackouts, and global accessibility—which is exactly the vibe F1 is bringing over from ESPN. If you've enjoyed the MLS Season Pass for its ad-free streams and multi-view options, F1 will feel familiar: up to 6 simultaneous streams per account, 4K/HDR quality where available, and onboard cameras for that immersive driver POV.

    F1's global appeal is exploding (52 million U.S. fans in 2024, up from pre-Drive to Survive days), with a younger, more diverse crowd—47% of new U.S. fans under 25, over half female—similar to MLS's urban, multicultural vibe. The 2025 season finale is heating up with McLaren's Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri battling Red Bull's Max Verstappen for the championship, adding soap-opera drama akin to Messi's MLS impact. Plus, Apple's ecosystem (News, Maps, Music, Fitness+) will push F1 content everywhere, potentially surfacing race highlights right in your MLS watchlist.

    Recent X chatter from MLS fans echoes this crossover potential: one user noted, "As a fan of both, I assume there’s actually a large amount of crossover... Now that base gets unlocked for MLS, F1 and MLB," highlighting how the bundle makes it a no-brainer. Another called it "pure fire" for Apple TV's sports lineup.


    Potential Downsides and the Learning Curve

    That said, F1 isn't soccer—it's a tech-heavy spectacle with 20 drivers, 10 teams, and rules around tires, aerodynamics, and pit stops that can feel overwhelming at first. Races last 1.5–2 hours (shorter than MLS games but with more downtime), and the calendar spans 24 events worldwide, often at odd U.S. hours (e.g., Australian GP at 10:30 p.m. ET). If you're not into cars or strategy, the novelty might fade faster than an MLS rivalry week.

    Popularity-wise, F1 edges MLS globally (500 million fans vs. MLS's ~100 million, with F1 averaging 80–90 million viewers per race vs. MLS's 200K–300K per match), but in the U.S., they're neck-and-neck niches—both dwarfed by NFL/NBA but growing via streaming. Some F1 fans worry the Apple shift could niche it further by ditching ESPN's broad reach, potentially losing casuals who won't add another sub. But for you? Zero barrier.


    | Aspect | MLS (Your Baseline) | F1 (The New Addition) |
    |-----------------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------------------|
    | Format | 90-min games, 34 regular-season matches/team | 300km races (~90 min), 24 Grands Prix/year |
    | U.S. Viewership | ~300K avg. per match, 10M+ season total | ~1M avg. per race, 30M+ season total |
    | Global Fans | ~100M, strong in Americas/Europe | ~500M, dominant in Europe/Asia |
    | Apple Perks | Ad-free, multi-view, global access | Same + onboard cams, team radio |
    | Entry Point | Team loyalty (e.g., your fave club) | F1 The Movie (streaming Dec. 12) or highlights |


    Bottom Line: Yes, Give It a Shot

    Since your sub already covers it, there's no financial risk—treat the first few 2026 races (starting March in Australia) like trial MLS games. Start with the movie F1 The Movie (Brad Pitt's redemption arc in a fictional team; it's the highest-grossing sports film ever at $629M) for a fun intro, then catch a U.S. GP at COTA in Austin for that live energy. If the speed and stories click (like how Ted Lasso hooked non-soccer folks into MLS), you'll wonder why you waited. If not, it's easy to skip without FOMO. Worst case, you've got Severance and MLS to fall back on. What's your favorite MLS team? That might help tailor F1 team recs (e.g., Ferrari for dramatic flair).


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    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  21. Goodsport

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    I typed into Grok:


    Grok responded:


    As a lifelong San Jose Earthquakes fan, you’re likely drawn to a team with grit, a strong community vibe, and a history of defying odds—qualities that mirror the Quakes’ resilient spirit in MLS. Choosing a Formula 1 team to root for depends on aligning those values with the team’s identity, performance, and narrative. Here’s a breakdown to help you pick:


    1. McLaren – The Resurgent Underdog
    • Why it fits: McLaren’s recent journey echoes the Earthquakes’ knack for bouncing back. After years of struggle, McLaren has clawed its way to the top, winning the 2024 Constructors’ Championship (their first since 1998). Their focus on teamwork, young talent like Lando Norris, and a scrappy yet innovative culture feels like the Quakes underdog spirit.
    • Vibe match: Like San Jose fans who stick through tough seasons, McLaren’s fanbase is loyal and passionate, celebrating the grind. Their papaya orange livery is bold, much like the Quakes’ blue and black.
    • Why root for them: If you love a team that fights for respect and delivers against giants, McLaren’s your pick. Plus, their California roots (Bruce McLaren was inspired by West Coast racing culture) might resonate with your Bay Area pride.
    • 2025 outlook: With Norris and Oscar Piastri, they’re favorites to defend their title, but they’ll face fierce competition from Red Bull and Ferrari.

    2. Williams – The Gritty Rebuilder
    • Why it fits: Williams is the ultimate “work in progress” team, much like the Earthquakes during their rebuilding phases (think post-2012 or recent years under Bruce Arena). They’ve got a storied past (9 Constructors’ titles) but are currently fighting to climb the midfield with limited resources.
    • Vibe match: Williams’ never-say-die attitude and focus on developing young drivers (like Franco Colapinto) align with the Quakes’ history of nurturing talent like Cade Cowell or Jackson Yueill. Their fanbase is hardcore and appreciates the long game.
    • Why root for them: If you’re patient and love cheering for a team that’s all heart, Williams is a great fit. Their Bay Area connection (new team principal James Vowles has emphasized data-driven strategies, a nod to Silicon Valley’s tech ethos) adds a local twist.
    • 2025 outlook: They’re not title contenders yet, but their upward trajectory and new drivers make them exciting to follow.

    3. Aston Martin – The Ambitious Outsider
    • Why it fits: Aston Martin’s bold ambition to go from midfield to front-runners mirrors the Earthquakes’ dreams of returning to MLS Cup glory. With heavy investment from owner Lawrence Stroll and tech partnerships (like Honda for 2026), they’re building something big.
    • Vibe match: Their green livery and sleek branding have a modern edge, akin to the Quakes’ rebrand efforts. Their driver, Fernando Alonso, is a veteran fighter, much like Quakes stalwarts like Cristian Espinoza.
    • Why root for them: If you enjoy a team with big dreams and a chip on their shoulder, Aston Martin’s push to challenge the elite will feel familiar. Their global fanbase is growing, much like the Quakes’ diverse supporters.
    • 2025 outlook: They’re likely to stay in the midfield but could surprise with podiums if their upgrades click.


    Recommendation: McLaren

    McLaren’s the best match for a San Jose Earthquakes fan. Their recent resurgence, team-first ethos, and underdog mentality align with the Quakes’ history of battling through adversity and rallying their community. Lando Norris’ clutch performances feel like Espinoza’s game-changing moments, and McLaren’s vibrant fan culture will make you feel right at home. Plus, their 2024 success means you’re jumping on a team that’s competitive but not a bandwagon choice like Red Bull.


    How to Start Following McLaren
    • Watch: Catch F1 races on ESPN or F1TV (the 2025 season starts in March). The Australian Grand Prix (March 16) is a great opener.
    • Engage: Follow McLaren on X (@McLarenF1) for updates and join fan discussions. Check out posts from accounts like @F1Fanatic or @TheF1Central for race insights.
    • Learn: Dive into McLaren’s story via Netflix’s Drive to Survive (Season 7, out early 2025, covers their 2024 rise) or their official site.
    • Connect: Look for Bay Area F1 watch parties (San Jose’s got a growing scene) to bond with fellow fans.


    If you want a deeper dive into McLaren’s 2025 prospects, their drivers, or even how their tech compares to the Quakes’ analytics approach, let me know! Or, if you’re leaning toward another team, I can tailor the recommendation. What’s your vibe—grit, glory, or something else?


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    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  22. Goodsport

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