Since he's been at Fulham? All competitions included? I am thinking 4 or 5 last year, and 2 this year....so either 6 or 7... Also, anyone know the total time he's been on the pitch? Just saw last half of Chelsea reem Fulham....not pretty (in final 1/3)....at least Frankie Hedjuk has company.... Brian did not look too good in his short stint against Chelsea, but I am reckon(ing) that his goals/per minutes at Fulham are actually OK...
Oh yes M...it makes MUCH more sense to keep records by goals/appearances.....like ironically many English sites do......having a 5 minute appearance 'count the same' as a 90 minute one....the most illogical thing I've ever heard...
For the record, I'm curious because the general impression I think (mine too) has been that Brian's time w/Fulham has been underwhelming....yet, if you look at the goals per minutes (at least in that category) he's probably not doing so poorly (and close, maybe, to what Collins John has done over the past year)
The most illogical thing I've heard of is trying to claim goals/minute based on short substitute appearances is a meaningful measure. It simply can't be compared one way or the other against playing full games week in, week out.
Shh....any number which makes a Yank look good will be discounted. If McBride was starting and John or Radz were coming off the bench the story would be flopped. Keep it up M! Don't let any arguments keep you down!
On this one M, despite his well known bias, may be right. Its certainly not fair to compare goals/ minutes any more than it is to compare a player on goals/ appearances. Not all apearances are equal, but then not all miutes are equal also. Additionally, comparing players purely on goals is illogical because no one player creates a goal. About the most useful statistic that I can think of would be goals per shots taken. Or perhaps shots on target/ shots taken. Even this would be an imperfect measure because you don't create you shot oppetunities and not all oppertunities are equal. Still it might give some concept of a strikers ability to turn chances (created in part by his teamates) into goals (his part of the job). All in all I doubt that statustics are extremly helpful in evaluating players- at least not something this rough.
What argument would that be? I haven't seen one yet. Anyway, what is it about my statement that "It simply can't be compared one way or the other against playing full games week in, week out." that you didn't understand?
Is your opinion dude........I do love how soccer/football fans sometimes run from clear production stats. They are only a part of the puzzle, but deserve to be a part....
If you're going to use stats, at least they should have some empirical basis - which stats such as this simply don't have. Not that jri's of this world would notice that.
OK M, - so player (A) is a substitute for 700 minutes on the pitch and scores 15 goals - player (B) is a substitute for 700 minutes on the pitch and scores 0 goals And you are telling me one can't learn anything from that? LOL (and yet you let 'pass' the fact that many English websites posts 'appearances' and not 'minutes played' when listing players stats.....so an appearance of 3 minutes looks just like one of 70 minutes...however, you apparently don't have a problem with THAT).. LOL
Dude.....................Stats are empirical. They're just a tally of some damn numbers born out of observation or experiment
My bad - that's what I get for posting at 11:30 at night. So Frankie is better than we give him credit for?
Oops, you're right. I should have said there is no statistical basis for the comparison - except to the jri's of this world, of course.
Unlike you, I'm not fixated in making dubious 'claims' based on stats, so it's not an issue that keeps me awake at night. And, of course, the example you give is completely irrelevant to the argument that I was making: that there's no statistical foundation for using goals per minute when comparing the performance of someone whose appearances have been limited to being a late-game substitute with the performances of players who've played complete games.
These are all the stats I could find in 15 minutes of looking. Use them as you will. (By the way, it is absolutely devilish to try to find player stats for FA Cup and Carling Cup. I have no idea how many minutes he played in those games.) Brian McBride Fulham FC 2004-2005 Statistics Premiership 10 games played (3 starts) 2 shots 1 shot on goal 0 goals 1 assist 355 minutes played (35.5 per game) Carling Cup 3 games played (1 start) 2 goals 2003-2004 statistics Premiership 16 games played (5 starts) 14 shots on goal 4 goals 1 assist 719 minutes played (44.9 per game) 179.75 minutes per goal FA Cup 3 games played (3 starts) 1 goal
No, unlike you, I'm not willing to make statistically dubious claims. That's not avoiding the argument.