Anyone know anything about an expanded schedule?

ThePonchat · Nov 3, 2024

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It's the trend. The courts in the past few years have said that players have the right to make a living off their NIL. Have brokered a settlement between past NCAA athletes for the use of their NIL. Logically, if the NCAA members schools have made a deal to pay past athletes money they should have been directly paid by the school for the use of their NIL, then they will be directly paying athletes going forward. And, if the athletes are already professional, paid directly by the school for which they play, in what world would it make sense to ban them from being employed by another entity in the offseason. They are already professionals.
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There is zero trend of professional opportunities from NCAA back to NCAA, unless it’s a completely different sport.

This hasn’t even been on the table to discuss.

RalleeMonkey · Nov 3, 2024

ThePonchat said: ↑

There is zero trend of professional opportunities from NCAA back to NCAA, unless it’s a completely different sport.

This hasn’t even been on the table to discuss.
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I repeat my question- in what world does it make sense that athletes can be paid directly by the college they play for, but can’t be paid by anyone else in the offseason. I mean, right now they could be paid by an mls or USL for their NIL.

Sandon Mibut · Nov 4, 2024

As far as former pros in college sports. I think it's just another of the things we just don't know how it will go in this rapidly changing world of college athletics.

Things that most of us have considered gospel since we first began following college sports are no longer so and more of those cardinal rules are gonna go by the wayside. And that includes professionalism.

Right now, the NCAA is being sued by a tennis player to allow her to keep her eligibility and the earnings she got at the US Open when she went on a surprising run as an "amateur." The NCAA is also being sued by a junior hockey player in Canada to allow him to play college hockey despite getting the stipends that all Major Junior hockey players in the CHL (WHL, OHL and QMJHL) get.

For years, players in individual sports like golf, tennis, swimming and track had to choose between their college eligibility and accepting any prize money from any events they entered as amateurs. But now that they can get NIL, they argue, what's the difference between being paid for endorsements and being paid for performance? (And the NCAA doesn't have a great record in court these days.)

We all know the SEC and the Big Ten have no qualms about paying football players. And basketball players are gonna start demanding compensation, too, for the money they make for their schools.

Back before the NBA instituted the one-and-done rule, there was a proposal to allow NBA players who had skipped college and washed out to return to college and play basketball. It didn't go anywhere because the one-and-done rule stopped kids going straight from HS, but it was being debated at high levels of the NCAA.

So who knows? If former junior hockey players - who are currently "pros" in the eyes of the NCAA - can start playing college hockey, whose to say that former MLS Next Pro players can't do the same? And where is that line drawn? Only if you get cut by your MLS team? Or can you still be in their system, go to college AND play college soccer?

As Jim Belushi said to Rob Lowe in About Last Night, at this point, we don't know.

The toothpaste is out of the tube and cleaning it up is gonna be messy. Couple that with the belt tightening a lot of schools will have to do to to pay their football teams, and the status quo may not be sustainable. It might be that having MLSNP paying players while they go to college and play college soccer is a compromise that allows college soccer to survive.

The only thing I know is that anyone who says they know how this is all gonna play out doesn't know what they're talking about.

fknbuflobo · Nov 4, 2024

Sandon, High marks earned for movie/TV quotes and references.

RalleeMonkey · Nov 4, 2024

Sandon Mibut said: ↑

As far as former pros in college sports. I think it's just another of the things we just don't know how it will go in this rapidly changing world of college athletics.

Things that most of us have considered gospel since we first began following college sports are no longer so and more of those cardinal rules are gonna go by the wayside. And that includes professionalism.

Right now, the NCAA is being sued by a tennis player to allow her to keep her eligibility and the earnings she got at the US Open when she went on a surprising run as an "amateur." The NCAA is also being sued by a junior hockey player in Canada to allow him to play college hockey despite getting the stipends that all Major Junior hockey players in the CHL (WHL, OHL and QMJHL) get.

For years, players in individual sports like golf, tennis, swimming and track had to choose between their college eligibility and accepting any prize money from any events they entered as amateurs. But now that they can get NIL, they argue, what's the difference between being paid for endorsements and being paid for performance? (And the NCAA doesn't have a great record in court these days.)

We all know the SEC and the Big Ten have no qualms about paying football players. And basketball players are gonna start demanding compensation, too, for the money they make for their schools.

Back before the NBA instituted the one-and-done rule, there was a proposal to allow NBA players who had skipped college and washed out to return to college and play basketball. It didn't go anywhere because the one-and-done rule stopped kids going straight from HS, but it was being debated at high levels of the NCAA.

So who knows? If former junior hockey players - who are currently "pros" in the eyes of the NCAA - can start playing college hockey, whose to say that former MLS Next Pro players can't do the same? And where is that line drawn? Only if you get cut by your MLS team? Or can you still be in their system, go to college AND play college soccer?

As Jim Belushi said to Rob Lowe in About Last Night, at this point, we don't know.

The toothpaste is out of the tube and cleaning it up is gonna be messy. Couple that with the belt tightening a lot of schools will have to do to to pay their football teams, and the status quo may not be sustainable. It might be that having MLSNP paying players while they go to college and play college soccer is a compromise that allows college soccer to survive.

The only thing I know is that anyone who says they know how this is all gonna play out doesn't know what they're talking about.
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Yep, no one knows.

But, my guess is the NCAA loses the tennis player and hockey players suits. Or settles them.

As far as "going to pay basketball players." Pretty sure that's already happening. I know last offseason UCLA was talking about using NIL to skirt scholarship limitations. I think they did, but wouldn't swear to it. But, basketball players are already getting paid.

IntoTouch · Nov 4, 2024

Well let's take a 27yr former Premier player who has torn his acl twice and is in no position to play at that level. Give him a full scholarship for his education (he can it take back to England after graduation) and continue to ignore the US players who are 18 and still dream of playing college soccer at the D1 level.

collegesoccer · Nov 5, 2024

IntoTouch said: ↑

Well let's take a 27yr former Premier player who has torn his acl twice and is in no position to play at that level. Give him a full scholarship for his education (he can it take back to England after graduation) and continue to ignore the US players who are 18 and still dream of playing college soccer at the D1 level.
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If AD's paid you or gave you a bonus for graduating American kids, then the coaches would go that route...

RalleeMonkey · Nov 5, 2024

Here is a statement released by UCLA's AD about paying athletes:

Dear Bruins,

I wanted to provide an update on the progress of the federal litigation that is expected to result in historic reform to the collegiate athletics model. Recently, the U.S. District Court issued a preliminary approval of the settlement agreement that was reached back in May in the House vs. NCAA class action lawsuits. Final approval is expected in early April 2025.

As it is currently structured, the settlement will provide student-athletes with nearly $3 billion in back-pay and allow schools to participate in sharing approximately $20-22 million in revenue annually with student-athletes. This will reshape the NCAA model in regards to roster size and scholarship limits. As I said in May, we embrace this transformation for what it means for our student-athletes: more resources than ever before.

While it will be months before the settlement is finalized and many questions are yet to be answered, our administration is hard at work planning our strategy for success in this new era. Though he is not officially on the job until January, conversations with UCLA Chancellor-designate Julio Frenk and campus leadership have already begun.

Assuming final approval of the settlement as it currently stands, I anticipate the following changes to be implemented for the 2025-26 academic year:

Universities will be permitted to compensate student-athletes through revenue sharing up to a maximum of 20% of revenue. In order to support and recognize the contributions of our student-athletes and to continue to compete at an elite level, UCLA Athletics intends to maximize revenue sharing opportunities, amounting to $20-22 million per year.

Roster limits will be imposed in each sport, setting a maximum number of student-athletes who can compete with that team in a given year. Conversely, scholarship limits among NCAA sports will be removed. Universities can provide as many scholarships as there are roster spots. We are in the process of meeting with all of our head coaches to determine how this will be implemented at UCLA.

Our goal is to uphold UCLA’s tradition of broad-based excellence. While the level of financial backing for each program may vary, Bruin student-athletes will continue to have the chance to excel athletically and academically, ultimately graduating from the nation’s #1 public institution.

Additionally, all Division I student-athletes who participated on teams from 2016-21 are eligible for Name, Image and Likeness (NIL) backpay amounting to $2.8 billion. The plan to cover the associated costs will result in UCLA receiving $1.5 million less per year from NCAA revenue sharing for the next 10 years.

Sandon Mibut · Nov 7, 2024

RalleeMonkey said: ↑

Yep, no one knows.

But, my guess is the NCAA loses the tennis player and hockey players suits. Or settles them.

As far as "going to pay basketball players." Pretty sure that's already happening. I know last offseason UCLA was talking about using NIL to skirt scholarship limitations. I think they did, but wouldn't swear to it. But, basketball players are already getting paid.
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Appears the NCAA just gave up on the hockey players. Will be interesting to see what this mean, if anything, for MLSNP players.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports...canadian-hockey-league-players-eligible-div-i

ThePonchat · Nov 7, 2024

Sandon Mibut said: ↑

Appears the NCAA just gave up on the hockey players. Will be interesting to see what this mean, if anything, for MLSNP players.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports...canadian-hockey-league-players-eligible-div-i
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This is pretty much in-line with the same rules that have existed for other leagues in other sports for years. Academy players in soccer can be NCAA eligible. International hockey players in other leagues can do the same. Basketball has a ton too, and we've seen them really being under a HUGE microscope in how NCAA will treat their eligibility.

MLSNP can still be the same, much like USL Academy players have been able to maintain NCAA eligibility.

What's not changed is going from NCAA-to-pro-to-NCAA.