and how the votes are counted? http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/05/13/dented.diebold.ap/ Voting machine business stormy for Diebold (from May 14) "Diebold's e-voting system was first stung by criticism when a voter rights advocate, Bev Harris, managed to obtain the company's software blueprints, known as source code, on an unprotected Internet site in early 2003. Later that year, an unidentified hacker broke into a Diebold server and stole software, e-mails and other internal documents. And during the primaries, vote counts in Maryland were delayed because of modem glitches, and machines in much of California's San Diego County malfunctioned, potentially disenfranchising hundreds of voters." http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1084316008117 Count Crisis? Elections official warns of glitches that may scramble vote auditing (from MAy 13) .... "One of the biggest complaints about touch-screen voting systems is that it is impossible to do a true recount of each vote using touch-screen machines unless the electronic machines are specially equipped with a voter-verified paper trail system. But Florida Secretary of State Glenda Hood, who was appointed by Gov. Jeb Bush, has opposed the printers as unnecessary, and the GOP-dominated Legislature resisted Democratic efforts this past session to authorize them. " http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1160482,00.html (from March) Comment The hacks in the machine "The electronic voting story may be nothing more than a case of engineering incompetence blended with corporate greed living alongside political expediency. On the other hand, it may be more sinister. "Those who cast the votes decide nothing," said Josef Stalin. "Those who count the votes decide everything." http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm Published on Thursday, August 28, 2003 by the Cleveland Plain Dealer Voting Machine Controversy by Julie Carr Smyth COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year. http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/02/09/voting_machines/index.html (Feb. ) Will the election be hacked? A Salon special report reveals how new voting machines could result in a rigged presidential race -- and we'd never know ....Roy Barnes, the defeated Democratic governor, says that blaming his loss on voting machines is "ridiculous." And, to be sure, there is no evidence proving malfeasance, and there probably never will be. The only trouble is, the state cannot furnish any definitive evidence to show that the 2002 election was not fraudulent. Proving that the machines didn't malfunction, or that they weren't hacked, is impossible. And since scores of computer scientists say that voting systems are vulnerable to attack, and because activists have raised legitimate concerns about election equipment vendors' politics and processes, Jekot's fears have come to seem, to many, entirely reasonable. .... "But on Election Day this November, more than 20 percent of American voters will cast their ballots on paperless electronic machines; voters across the nation will encounter them during the primaries. Critics of touch-screen systems point to the controversy surrounding the vote in Georgia as a sign of things to come nationally. If there's an upset in a close presidential race, will we be able to trust it? Ironically, the paperless systems were supposed to restore trust in a democracy that saw the presidency hang by a few thousand chads in Florida three years ago. In Georgia, and increasingly across the nation, they're in danger of doing quite the opposite." SO, Will everything be properly in place for the November elections? Will we have fair and balanced elections?
http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/09/23/bev_harris/ An open invitation to election fraud (Sept 2003) "Tell me about the flaw you uncovered in the Diebold system. Well, we uncovered a few problems in the memos, but the first one that we published specifically supported the flaw that I wrote about in July of 2003. And to my surprise these memos admitted they were aware of the flaw, and it was actually brought to their attention by Ciber labs -- which is a certifier -- in October 2001, and they made a decision not to fix it. So it was brought to their attention two years ago? Right. So what was the flaw? Specifically the flaw was that you can get at the central vote-counting database through Microsoft Access. They have the security disabled. And when you get in that way, you are able to overwrite the audit log, which is supposed to log the transactions, and this [audit log] is one of the key things they cite as a security measure when they sell the system. So you can break in and then hide your tracks. You don't even need to break in. It will open right up and in you go. You can change the votes and you can overwrite the audit trail. It doesn't keep any record of anything in the audit trail when you're in this back door, but let's say you went in the front door and you didn't want to have anything you did there appear anywhere -- you can then go in the backdoor and erase what you did. " ..... "OK, so we should talk about how Diebold responded to your posting these memos. As soon ... a few days after we posted them they sent us a cease-and-desist letter -- interestingly authenticating the memos and laying claim to them, telling us that they were copyrighted. So they claimed copyright and they told us to take them off the Web. Right. By claiming copyright they're saying they own them, so that seems to indicate they are authentic memos. Exactly. " I know some of these articles were written months ago, but the issue's importance and the pace at which it is being taken care of (if at all, on a state by state case, whichever way) interests me.....
Interesting..... ok, so i guess people (voters) consider this a non-issue, or have great faith in our election process being error free, or at least not flawed enough for worry..... After all, what could possibly go wrong?
hey... it was only Florida in the last elections that caused all the problems so the obvious solution is... forget Florida... until they learn to vote! Everyone else in nation can vote as normal and well accept as granted that all of Florida is going to vote for George anyway. IntheNet
There's an upcoming election. Oh...that's what all those stupid ads are for. In that case, I'm voting for the guy with the coolest commecials. Unfortunately Louie The Lizard didn't get the Green Party nomination. How, I don't know.
Matt in the Hat: Ok... can you tell me with a straight face and non-alcohol impaired that you would rather have Gore in White House? Really? IntheNet
Then Bush? Or as oppossed to what other options? Is this a serious question? Or is it a trick question? Or both?
Personally, I'm absolutely baffled as to why so many election officials have opposed the addition of a printed paper trail to these touch screen voting machines. Even if there is nothing shady happening with these machines, having the paper trail would avoid even the slightest hint of impropriety. And since the public vote is the cornerstone of this society, shouldn't we do what we can to ensure that results are above reproach? Otherwise, we're just another banana republic.
Completely agree. This seems to be the simplest solution, and it would keep everyone from yammering on with their conspiracy theories about Diebold.
I do as well. Hopefully the issue will be resolved before election time. Just in case I think I'll be sure and have some popcorn handy. Oh yeah, great reminder to head on down to the embassy and pick up my absantee ballot.
I don't believe he can hold the office. You have to be at least 35. I don't think adding a paper trail to Diablo machines will do that much good. First, many of the mistakes and corruption are of a type that these ballots will not catch. Second, and most important, receipt-type ballots are hard to double-check. They are not machine readable, and will not be that easy to read by checkers. Any recount will be require large amounts of work, require many people, and be full of error itself. My favorite ballot scheme is the one used in San Mateo county right now. It uses large Scantron-style sheets. It is easy to vote, cheap, simple, and leaves a very clear re-count vehicle because you have the original voting mechanism at all times. If you doubt a particular counting machine, just use others - or even ones by another company, as this type of optical scanning machinery is hardly complicated or proprietary. I can't wait until the next election to see how much Diabold can swing the vote towards Bush the Younger. It's going to be soooo cool. It isn't very often that you know beforehand that a coup is about to take place, as well as the very mechanism that they will use to do it. It feels like I am in a movie.