Anti-semitism

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by elainemichelle, Feb 8, 2004.

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  1. elainemichelle

    elainemichelle New Member

    Jul 20, 2002
    Writing a paper that involves the history of anti-semitism in Europe (mainly NL and Germany).

    Any opinions or thoughts on anti-semitism in Europe?
     
  2. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Many. But you should not look for reliable information on a public bulletin board. There are endless academic resources for you to examine that will provide you with views on this topic. Here you will get nonsense and lies from prejudiced fools who know nothing.
     
  3. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    The history of anti-semitism in Europe goes back a long long way.
     
  4. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    That's about right.

    Not sure how much you're going to find on NL anti-semitism (they're traditionally regarded as friendly) but any bookstore/library will have shelves full of books regarding anti-semitism in Germany. Its not exactly a poorly known topic.
     
  5. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    Quite a bit of antisemitism in the Netherlands when it was part of the Spanish Empire.
     
  6. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Thanks to the Spanish, mostly. The Dutch have usually been a pretty tolerant people.
     
  7. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Interesting take on this issue in Simon Kupar's Ajax, The Dutch, The War. While not overtly anti-Semitic, most Dutch weren't overly heroic, either, especially compared to the Danes and the Bulgarians. Though of course, to say they weren't overly heroic, isn't to say that they were anywhere near as bad as the Nazi's or their typical collaborators elsewhere.

    If your focus is the Shoah, ElaineMichelle, you could take a look at Hannah Arendt's Eichmann in Jerusalem and Daniel Johah Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners. That will give you a good start. If you're going farther back in history..., well, there are several books that you should be able to find in a decent library. But don't expect loads of help from Bigsoccer. While the likes of Bruce Arena could certainly benefit from our insight, history isn't the area of expertise for which we are most noteworthy.
     
  8. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    :)
     
  9. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Speak for yourself, buddy :)
     
  10. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll add my own cautionary note: If I understand you correctly the topic you've chosen is really huge, which will make it difficult to address well in a term paper. You might want to schedule some time with your teacher to work on refining to something more manageable.

    Having said that, I'll tag along behind Dr. Wankler. Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners caused quite a stir among holocaust scholars because, apparently, his explanation of how such a thing could happen was a departure from the then-accepted hypotheses. For that reason there ought to be a good number of reviews and discussion articles about his book that summarize the scholarship to a fair degree. This might be a useful place to look.
     
  11. Kappa18

    Kappa18 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Beitar Jerusalem FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Israel
    The Netherland did have alot of anti-semitism, but at the same time was a refuge for many jews who had alot of Anti-Semitism in there country..

    if you look back in the history of Mathmaticians... names like Abrham De Moivre, who is a Frenchman, was persecuted for his work and he fled from France to Holland and later to England for some reason.

    The other Mathmetician that fled to Holland was Jacob Bernoulli. He fled around the the later 1600 hundred and made a name there. If you go to the netherlands, primarily in Roda and Amsterdam, you would see alot of buildings or streets by his name; Bernoulli.....
    He created or defined probabably...
     
  12. the_baron

    the_baron New Member

    Jan 27, 2004
    County Tyrone
    My Religion Teacher said that during the Great Plague Jews were accused of polluting the Water.
     
  13. Chizzy

    Chizzy Member+

    United States
    Aug 7, 2003
    Upper Left, USA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Anti-Semitism in Europe still alive and well
     
  14. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Let me tell you a lil' story. Tiny Switzerland permanently sheltered 60,000 Jewish refugees (in addition to 60,000 allied soldiers) from 1939 to 1945, while the U.S. accommodated only some 250,000 and repeatedly rejected Jewish refugees. Yes, we did have to close our borders at one point, but not to keep out the Jews - to keep out Hitler. Was our government perfect during the war? - By no means. The Swiss government acknowledges that Switzerland had it's share in the affair with the J-stamp and publicly apologized on March 8th in 1995. However, trying to paint us with the Nazi brush is completely unfair and unjust. Certain circles should be ashamed of themselves for their Switzerland/Nazi media campaign during the 90's in an (eventually successful) attempt to extract money from our banks. I'm not going to defend our banks (they did wrong), but labeling a whole country as Nazis is just as unethical.
     
  15. Kappa18

    Kappa18 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Beitar Jerusalem FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Israel
    Let me tell you about another switzerland...a more up to date one.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/678669.stm

    Seems like 16% of Switzerland are hardcore neo-nazi anti-semites (like you!) and almost 60% have sympahty for hate.......

    Even your own president jumped in the anti-semite bandwaggon. Probably he is one of the 16% who are fundamental haters...

    http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=5670
     
  16. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Ah yes - the BBC. A usually fair and objective media outlet that was also one of the biggest tools in the aforementioned anti-Switzerland propaganda during the 90's. Maybe you should read the links you post:
    Most of the anti-sentiment (note - not semitism) in Switzerland is due to the disgraceful slander campaign that tried to equal to whole country to Nazi Germany. Will you find anti-semitism in Switzerland? - Of course you will. Will you find 60%? - Only in your wettest dreams...
    You know, playing the holocaust card is really getting old. Just because Europe doesn't sit on your lap like Uncle Sam doesn't make Europeans "hardcore neo-nazi anti-semites". Eventually you will have to find other ways to justify your treatment of the palestinians.
     
  17. krolpolski

    krolpolski Member+

    No, that's a bad start.

    Tom Segev, author of The Seventh Million, writing in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, noted “…the criticism against Goldhagen is backed up so well. Historians all over the world, including Israel, agree that he has written a bad book. Few have praised him, and those who did were motivated by public relations and politics.”
     
  18. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    krolpolski commenting on anti-semitism books is one of bigsoccer's great comedic moments!
     
  19. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    I didn't follow this story much, but wasn't it a case of families trying to get their money back?
     
  20. krolpolski

    krolpolski Member+

    What are you implying? Why don't you state what you think out loud?

    What because I'm Polish I'm automatically anti-Semetic?
     
  21. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    You know, its this sort of logic that can get you to a really dangerous place. You're not that far from that intellectual leap, either.
     
  22. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    No, it's just you. Unless I was thinking of another Bigsoccer user with a screenname "krolpolski" cutting and pasting from anti-semitic web sites.
     
  23. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Look, I'll be the first person to condemn real anti-semetism when I see it. With that said I will also be the first person to attack pseudo anti-semetism accusations in a victim operetta used to gain political leverage...
     
  24. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    For the most part yes, and as I already stated, our banks were indeed at fault. It would also be correct however to point out that many distant relatives and their lawyers tried to get their hands on the $ 1.25 billion settlement.
     
  25. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I didn't accuse you of anything.

    But what you said is often similar to a very real feeling in Europe. That feeling being that you can't really criticize Israel overtly, because of Europe's past, so instead you focus disproportionately on the Palestinian issue. (To clarify, I'm using "you" in a general sense, not a specific sense.)

    I'm not saying you're guilty of it, but its hardly rare. Why Israel comes in for so much scrutiny in Europe while its right next to Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia is a bit hard to explain, sometimes.
     

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