Another US youth goes pro -- Zach Archer

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Feb 4, 2003.

  1. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Zach Archer, a 1986 (Region IV ODP) from Washington state, signed a one-year contract with Unaio Badeirante in Brazil. (It's the same club that Peter Withers, now of Ohio State U., played at a few years back but Archer is a full professional and won't be playing college ball.)

    I'm told that Archer is playing d-mid for them, apparently because he's big, but is scoring goals nonetheless... He eventually hopes to land in Europe and is starting to fish around.
     
  2. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    I saw this earlier and I just don't know what to say. Anyone know the background on this kid and his skills? How good is Unaio Badeirante and what level of league do they play in?
     
  3. Blong

    Blong Member+

    Oct 29, 2002
    Midwest, the real one.
    Maybe Soccerscout can give some info on the team
     
  4. Canadian_Supporter

    Staff Member

    Dec 20, 1999
    Prostějov, CR
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Re: Re: Another US youth goes pro -- Zach Archer

    I think this is the clubs website

    http://www.bandeiranteec.com.br/
     
  5. eric515

    eric515 Member

    May 8, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, do we call him Zachino?? Or Zacharinho?? Or just Zach?? :D

    p.s. How many freakin' Everton's are there in Brazilian soccer??
     
  6. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Re: Re: Another US youth goes pro -- Zach Archer

    Don't feel bad... If you don't know anything about the kid, that is a perfect example of a time when you don't have to say anything about him.

    ;)

    All I can really add at this time is that besides being a regional pool player, I think he was also a member of the Irvine Strikers club program. That's a pretty high-profile club -- it was Memo's before he joined residency -- and so if that's true it is probably safe to assume that he was a mid- to high-level D1 college prospect at the least.

    I hope to find out more... But hopefully the poster who mentioned him on the YA board will add more details as they come along.

    Apparently the club has a forward named Luciano Gigante. What a fantastic name.
     
  7. manutd02

    manutd02 Member

    Oct 23, 2002
    He's from Washington state and plays for the Irvine Strikers??? Irvine's a California based team, so someone's got some wrong information.
     
  8. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Evidently it's a 2nd division Paulista team, whatever that means.
     
  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it means they're in the second division of teams in Sao Paolo state.
     
  10. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Well, like I said I only suspect that he plays with Strikers. There is a Zach Archer on the strikers at what would appear to be the right age group:
    http://www.irvinestrikers.com/cgi-win/cmain.exe?tP1019

    At any rate, I'm aware that the Strikers are in California. However, it's not uncommon for top players to play with premier-level club teams out of their region.

    Several top eastern players have travelled some distance, for example, to play for the Delco teams out of Pennsylvania.

    I'll try to get an answer, at any rate, and find out whether "someone" had some wrong information after all.
     
  11. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    I also didn't see his name on the club's website or mentioned among the goal scorers. Perhaps he's scoring and playing with their reserve team? He is only going to be turning 17 this year, so that wouldn't be such a bad thing.
     
  12. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Re: Re: Another US youth goes pro -- Zach Archer

    I'm blanking a bit, but I believe he is playing with their U-20/reserve team. I trust the information I've been given implicitly.

    Incidentally, I can confirm that Zach DID in fact play last fall with Irvine Strikers.
     
  13. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Re: Re: Re: Another US youth goes pro -- Zach Archer

    Awesome. This kid's got nuts the size of JOB's.
     
  14. CuriousGeorge

    CuriousGeorge New Member

    Jan 6, 2003
    SoCal
    Zach Archer did play with the Irvine Strikers from summer 2002 through fall 2002. Zach and his family had moved from Washington to Brazil and had lived there for a year. They came back to the states last summer chosing to live in SoCal and have both their sons (Zach and his younger brother) play for the Irvine Strikers.

    The experience proved less than satisfying for the family. The father seemingly thought his kids would be stars after their experience in Brazil. That didn't prove to be the case. The Strikers weren't overly impressed and no one from ODP came knocking. The family is as soccer crazy as you can get, with the express intent of having their sons become professional soccer players. The fact that few U.S. players and their families have the same expectations seemed totally lost on the family. The father complained about the fact that the team didn't practice every day, that the substitution rules allowed many players to play, the team only played one game a week, etc.
    At the end of the fall league season the family announced that they were moving back to Brazil.

    Having seen Zach play a number of game with the Strikers it is my opinion that Zach will play pro soccer at some level if for no other reason than the family is entirely focused to that end. Maybe Zach will be another Johnny Walker....
     
  15. Scoey

    Scoey Member

    Oct 1, 1999
    Portland
    ...or another Todd Marinovitch...
     
  16. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    No one from ODP came knocking? You mean for the U17 residency program? Otherwise he's listed on the Region IV site as one of the top players in the region.

    His complaints are very valid IMHO. With the invention of MLS and the success of players like Convey, Quaranta, Bealsey and Donovan, it's only natural that some kids are going to want to follow in their footsteps, even if they aren't picked for U17 residency. Kids should have a place to train 6 days a week for free, limited substitution rules etc. and not have to go and live in a boarding academy on the other side of the country to get it.

    I'd say it's lost on the other clueless American families, and not on the Archers. Tony Sanneh was a million dollar earner in the Bundesliga last season folks. Landon's on probably 300K plus endorsements, and Convey, @ 19 is on 65 or 70K IIRC, sure to cash in when his current MLS deal expires either with the league or in Europe.

    I guess many of the guys on this board are inherently wealthy or something, but I'm only going to hit 300K if I start up a business. If I end up moving to management I may hit 100K when I'm 40 or something. And even then does that really compare to training for four hours a day max at a child's game, going to other countries for tournies, etc.?

    The archer situation kind of reminds me of Juan Pablo Montoya's (Williams F1 driver). Racing is more expensive than soccer is, and his dad ended up taking out a second mortgage so his son could go to Europe. I'm not saying that Archer will even end up making it, but I personally believe it's better to dare to achieve great things and fail than to have never tried at all.
     
  17. CuriousGeorge

    CuriousGeorge New Member

    Jan 6, 2003
    SoCal
     
  18. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When Roy Rees was coaching the U16 men's national team he chose players to play for the team that were neither in the national pool, nor on a regional team, nor even in the regional pool 8)

    An example of this is Gabe Serta (sp of last name?) who Roy Rees brought in for the 74-75 U16 nats. However it happened more than once. Roy's complaint was that the regional teams select 16 central midfielders, 4 forwards, 1 defender, and 2 keepers btw 8)

    Anyway just a precedent for ODP coach's selecting players that weren't in the direct pool for selection.
     
  19. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Uniao Bandeirante.

    Tiny small 2nd division club that has never made any impact in Brazilian soccer.

    Well you asked.


    Paulista League is the Sao Paulo State Championship. Each state in Brazil has a championship in the first few months of the year. They are going on right now. A Paulista is a person born in Sao Paulo as a Carioca is a person born in Rio de Janeiro and a Gaucho is a person born in Rio Grande do Sul state. That would be me.
     
  20. Crazy_Yank

    Crazy_Yank Member

    Jan 8, 2001
    Matamoros, Mexico
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    In other words a perfect place for a 17 year old player to launch a pro career. If he can't break into the side he probably won't have a very long career.
     
  21. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ha!! :)

    Classic.
     
  22. asdf

    asdf New Member

    Mar 1, 1999
    Geez, not to be too moralistic and judgemental here but this is bigsoccer.com so here I go ...

    This kid is 16, right? Why the heck go pro if the best you can do is 2nd division in a regional league in Brazil when you can just be a kid, enjoy life, finish school and probably qualify for a college scholarship somewhere? OK that may not be the best track if you are or can be the next Landon Donovan but that doesn't sound like the case to the extent the previous post is accurate.
     
  23. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    asdf,

    I would think the answer would be pretty simple: The kid wants to be a professional soccer player.

    You're looking at his decision as "chasing a dream" -- but he, like thousands and thousands of other kids around the world (and, what, about two dozen in the US?) is looking at it as starting a career.
     
  24. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    2nd division at 16 does not always equate to 2nd division at 21.
     
  25. agaig

    agaig New Member

    Jan 2, 2002
    USA, USA, USA
    This typifies the attitude and depth of understanding that too many have in this country about the game of soccer. Just cannot believe that a kid would really want to pursue it as a career.

    This kid wants to train with aspiring pros and is getting the chance to do so. Probably some journeymen pros there, too, who have made a run at the top level then slid back down.

    He will be learning by doing things that he simply cannot learn in our current system. He is 17, right? This is a step in the right direction, it is not common for 17 year olds to break into top clubs, so of course they have to do so at a lower level. He has his chance to prove himself, and I wish him success.
     

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