Another pro/rel thread yayz!

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by Black Tide, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Don't forget how much Chinese is paying Drogba and Anelka.
    Another thing is the soccer market is rapidly expanding while market for US sports is pretty much saturated already.

    edit: ok quick goolge got me Kobe is top earner in NBA at$53.2M. Messi is roughly on par.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2012/01/25/the-top-earning-nba-players/

    http://www.therichest.org/sports/highest-paid-football-players/

    It seems that soccer is better at least for top 10 in earnings from a quick look.
     
  2. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The NBA could make a lot of money internationally, if it wasn't generally run by a bunch of idiots.
     
  3. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    In order to reach that salary, Messi had to leave his home country at the age of 13 and move to an entirely different continent.

    Kobe got signed to his hometown team at 18.
     
  5. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kobe was drafted and traded.
     
  6. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
  7. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are aware that there are more sports than just soccer and basketball, right?
     
  8. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    yes but thats what we were talking since those two pay highest avg salary.
     
  9. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except you can't limit yourself to just those two sports because there are more options out there than just soccer and basketball. Any comparison that ignores the influences of the other sports is faulty.
     
  10. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yeah, but same kind of thing. Like Freddy Adu, kinda.
     
  11. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How exactly ?

    In the top 10, soccer has two ... just like basketball. Basketball's 2 are higher than soccer's 2.

    On that list of the top 100 paid athletes in the world, basketball has 13 while soccer has 10.

    So what part of that makes you right ?
     
  12. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except that isn't true. The trade for Charlotte's 1st round pick was about LA freeing up their center position so that they could go after Shaq. The trade itself was completed the day prior to the draft with Charlotte agreeing to use their first round pick to get whomever the Lakers wanted in exchange for Vlade Divac. Charlotte didn't even know who they were supposed to draft until a couple of minutes prior to drafting Kobe. There were also 12 teams ahead of Charlotte that could have picked up Kobe if they wanted to.
     
  13. Arsenalkid700

    Arsenalkid700 Member

    Aug 9, 2011
    New York City
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So.... who wants to talk about promotion/relegation? Seriously, that is the only reason I even come to this thread and read. Instead I get a battle over what a teenaged athlete would choose. Also for all of your information, coming from a teenager myself who has witnessed it at many schools, most sports a player chooses depends on little to do with money. It depends on how popular the sport is in the school, parents opinion and friends. That is really it.

    So now can we go back to the topic at hand. Should MLS adopt pro/rel?
     
  14. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Then I bow to your superior knowledge. I wasn't following the NBA back then and made an assumption.

    We were having that conversation, then one fraction of a sentence implied that there were more sports that American kids might choose over soccer, compared to kids from other countries, which DCU took exception to (though TBH, if that claim had supported pro/rel, we all know he'd agree completely).

    I'll give you my cut-n-paste answer.

    No MLS shouldn't adopt it. The reason it was adopted in other nations was largely because the teams predated the leagues and many outside the top divisions were big enough to warrant them competing for places.

    America doesn't have the number of teams at the right level to warrant promotion to and from MLS. It also probably doesn't have the history and culture that would allow teams to generally retain sufficient support in the event of relegation.

    Finally and more debatably, US sport has it's own way to add and remove teams to the league in the form of expansion and contraction. It has it's pros and cons, but it's probably more appropriate from a cultural standpoint and also for the single entity structure which MLS uses to (quite successfully) run the league.

    More vitally, as pro/rel would require the approval of the team owners, who have invested heavily in infrastructure and expansion fees. They are very unlikely to vote in something that could hurt their franchis(es) standing. So aside from the above arguments, as well as not being an especially good fit for US soccer, it's also effectively impractical at this time.
     
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  15. Arsenalkid700

    Arsenalkid700 Member

    Aug 9, 2011
    New York City
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There you go and that is basically my reasoning as well for why it should not happen here yet. MLS is doing so well right now doing what it is doing. Why change it and take the risk.

    Also in the lower divisions, many of the teams are Eastern focused. Until more teams come up from the West in the lower divisions and do well than I dont see pro/rel in the near future.

    Right now I expect MLS to have 20 teams by 2015. After that I expect MLS to stay at 20 for around 5-10 years, in those years they shall narrow the next 4 cities down. Eventually, I would say by 2030 we could have either 30 team MLS or the more popular MLS 1/MLS 2 with 20 teams in MLS 1/10 in MLS 2. We dont know what will happen in 18 years.
     
  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure why MLS would wait 5-10 years to expand beyond 20... Orlando City seems to be on the verge of making the jump and I'm sure San Antonio is drawing some attention with its numbers... Now, after those two, the timeline seems a bit longer, but at some point MLS is going to hit critical mass and I could see the expansion line getting queued up again.
     
  17. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kobe never played for the 76ers.
     
  18. Arsenalkid700

    Arsenalkid700 Member

    Aug 9, 2011
    New York City
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe Orlando City and maybe San Antonio. That all depends on the stadium situation and the potential price for the 21st and 22nd franchises.
     
  19. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean the SSS that San Antonio is currently building ?
     
  20. Arsenalkid700

    Arsenalkid700 Member

    Aug 9, 2011
    New York City
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yep. All depends on how that goes. Right now the first phase I can say is well done and will be ready by 2013. But then you have all the other phases. Can Hartmen get the phases done within the next 5-10 years (after the 20th franchise) to get to the 18,000 eventually planned.
     
  21. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You do know that they're constructing Phase II immediately right ? With the plan being made specifically for expansion of the stadium I don't see why they couldn't get each phase built in 12/18 months, considering they're building the whole thing (Phase II end point) in roughly a year.
     
  22. Arsenalkid700

    Arsenalkid700 Member

    Aug 9, 2011
    New York City
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They are not going to get 18,000 seats done that quick. Yes maybe I did just not think properly thinking that it would be tough to get that done in a quick time (looking at them attendance wise).

    I give the operation then maybe 2 years. They average 8,000 a game. They want to have 18,000 seats eventually available. 2 years seems more reasonable considering that in 2 years time they will still be a NASL club and I doubt the attendance can go that much higher in that time.
     
  23. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They might never get to 18,000 as a NASL club, but that isn't the point. The point is that they can get to 18k in relative short order if they get a MLS team.
     
  24. Arsenalkid700

    Arsenalkid700 Member

    Aug 9, 2011
    New York City
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But when will that be. Should we really expand past 20 teams that quickly?
     
  25. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is there a reason to stop? If the markets are there, there really isn't a reason to stop IMHO.
     

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