Analyze this: the air up there

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by guamster, May 16, 2003.

  1. guamster

    guamster Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    Winnetka, CA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Guam
    This column has quickly become one of my favorites on MLSNET.com. I always learn a new thing or two from reading this column every week.

    http://www.mlsnet.com/content/03/analyze0516.html

    Pepsi Pop Quiz:

    Players born in the United States have scored a total of 1838 MLS goals. Which country’s native-born players have scored the second most? Tune in to ESPN2’s coverage of MetroStars vs. Rapids at 4:00 P.M. EDT on Saturday afternoon for the answer.

    My guess is El Salvador, with Diaz Arce, Cerritos and Cien contributing many goals.
     
  2. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Zarco Rodriguez also scored a few goals in MLS (25 reg season; 27 total).
     
  3. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Once again, great stuff. Only a stat geek like this guy could come up with all the Denver phenomena, and even compare it across sports. The home field advantage in Denver even makes the Rapids look worse given their advantage at home and slapstick performances on the road.

    At least the Rapids fans will be happy that one of the weekly columnists paid so much attention to them!!!
     
  4. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Yugoslavia?
     
  5. Pack87Man

    Pack87Man BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 1, 2001
    Quad Cities
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As for his question about why the Avalanche are immune to this effect, I think it's basically because the team has been so good since they've been in Colorado that they've never had much room to move up. Their road record is so stellar that they can't be much better at home.
     
  6. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hah.

    Gotta be El Salvador.

    Yugoslavia has only Preki. El Sal has at least 4 guys with 20 goals or more.

    Course 5 years from now when Preki may have caught them by then.
     
  7. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    the nature of the game, and the rolling substitutions might change the dynamic. What would be interesting to know is whether or not the average shift length is shorter in Colorado than elsewhere.
     
  8. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    El Salvador has at least 203 from Cienfuegos, Cerritos, Diaz Arce, Rodriguez, and Quintanilla. I don't know if I'm missing any other Salvadorans.

    For Yugoslavia, Preki has 67 and Sasa Curcic 2, and I can't think of any others.

    Two other countries with more than 100 goals would be Bolivia and Colombia

    Bolivia has at least 102 from Etcheverry, Moreno, and Vaca.
    Colombia has at least 109 from Serna, Valencia, Valderrama, Comas, and Llamosa.

    Switzerland has 10 from Agoos and Sutter.
     
  9. Jayfil

    Jayfil Member

    Feb 24, 2000
    South Burlington, Vermont
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Colombia also has 8 more from Johnny Torres, and 15 from Anthony De Avila. Maybe more, but those are two that occurred to me right away.
     
  10. Jayfil

    Jayfil Member

    Feb 24, 2000
    South Burlington, Vermont
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More Colombia

    And 5 from Lionel Alvarez...
     
  11. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    Do Llamosa's own goals count?
     
  12. Wizardscharter

    Wizardscharter New Member

    Jul 25, 2001
    Blue Springs, MO
    It certainly isn't Mexico :) It's ELS...RDA by himself has more than all Yugoslavian players.


    This article is packed with numbers and that's about it.

    "The air's thin in Denver and it's harder to process O2 at high altitudes if you are a flatlander." Great. What a revelation. Thanks for blowing the lid off of that one. What's next, a statistical account of the dramatic increase of shot velocity when high-tech form-fitting cleats and dimpled balls are used? Or, how about that a ball rolls faster and straighter on uncrowned turf?

    I appreciate the level of work that went into the article, but tell us something that shouldn't already be known by anyone who has ever seen a game from Denver much less actually played one there. Seriously, it's only 7 weeks into the season and the bottom of the barrel ideas are creeping in now...not a good sign.
     
  13. usagoal

    usagoal Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    Las Vegas
    The Elias Sports Bureau is in the numbers businsess. So yeah...
     
  14. K.P.

    K.P. Member

    Mar 18, 2001
    Philly
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not a big fan of a statistics, but that one made me smile.
     
  15. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...and in the eyes of Mexican supporters, every single one of them was a fluke...
     

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