Analyst: Williams has yet to complete an attacking pass

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Matrim55, Nov 11, 2011.

  1. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

    Aug 14, 2000
    Berkeley
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    Connecticut
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    United States
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/11/11/armchair-analyst-klinsmanns-mf-choices-are-baffling

     
  2. Susaeta

    Susaeta BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 3, 2009
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    Nice work. The players paying the biggest price are Dempsey and Altidore. With no other attacking outlets, they are on an island trying to create something out of nothing. Somehow, Altidore still managed to look good tonight. Dempsey took himself out of the game.

    I would like to see a half each of Jones and Bradley at the 8 against Slovenia, with Johnson playing out right.
     
  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    Feb 13, 2010
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    This should also have been included in the headline:

     
  4. Aaryque

    Aaryque Member

    Apr 26, 2007
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    Liverpool FC
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  5. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

    Aug 14, 2000
    Berkeley
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    Connecticut
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    Yes, please.

    And the next camp better include both Kljestan and Feilhaber.
     
  6. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

    Aug 14, 2000
    Berkeley
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    Connecticut
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    That's the whole gist of the article.
     
  7. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
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    Levski Sofia
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    United States
    Stats prove nothing!

    We have posters saying Edu played error free today. Must be true.

    Quite depressing when our #8 and starting RW the last 3 games have combined for a grand total of ONE pass in the final 3rd. Why Klinsy played Williams at RW is beyond me.

    Fabian didn't look that good, but looked much better then Williams.
     
  8. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Unpossible. Williams was going to be our 1st choice RW for decades and be the answer to our anemic attack.
     
  9. ant0n

    ant0n Member+

    Jun 12, 2007
    San Jose, Ca
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    Uhh no....Jose Torres is back by then...
     
  10. Aaryque

    Aaryque Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    Norcal
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Yeah, my fault. It's clear that I just skimmed the article the first time. Don't mind me.
     
  11. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
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    --other--
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    United States
    It is true that every offensive pass found, without mistake, either Nothing or a Frenchman. Edu is an error free Sartrean. :rolleyes:
     
  12. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    No issues with Edu as he's not there to provide creativity. Starting Williams on on the right however has been a head-scratcher especially if Edu is going to start in the middle.

    I'm looking at the chalkboard from today's game and see that Williams has completed two passes in the attacking third but the general point is taken.

    Also think the first paragraph is unnecessarily snarky and tendentious which detracts from the overall quality of the article.
     
  13. Aaryque

    Aaryque Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    Norcal
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    If Edu is going to play the 8 role, he has to be able to provide some forward distribution and connect some passes in the offensive 3rd. If he's playing the 6, then the same applies to Beckerman.
     
  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    He does that. Continually playing him at the 8 and Williams wide makes no sense however.
     
  15. Aaryque

    Aaryque Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    Norcal
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    Liverpool FC
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    Well, we agree on your second sentence.
     
  16. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Indeed and absolutely. For being all alone and completely isolated tonight, Altidore managed some of the best hold-up work of a US forward since the very best days Brian Ching, and almost managed to be dangerous on the dribble as well a few times.

    Dempsey was playing frustratedly. That moment when he had Buddle wide open on the right and instead attempted to dribble both center backs was cringe-worthy.

    Edu plugged the holes and pressured pretty well in the first half, but lacked the ability to send in a good ball to start the transition game. With Jones at the 6 doing some of that work, things got a little better. Things got quite a bit better with Johnson on the right over Williams.

    Shea is really looking like a guy who will be dominant in CONCACAF exploiting athletic mismatches, but when going up against other big strong guys, he looks like a totally different, lesser sort of player.
     
  17. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
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    Did you read the article?

    Edu hasn't completed a pass in the final 3rd in 2 games.

    How is it then "he does that"?
     
  18. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Did you read and comprehend the post? I wasn't addressing the article; I was addressing another poster.
     
  19. SweetLife

    SweetLife Red Card

    Oct 4, 2010
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    Juventus FC
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    Statistics!!!!... what was the off the ball movement like... !!!:eek:

    Those final 1/3 passes are the hardest because it is when the defense are most alert...

    :rolleyes:
     
  20. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
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    United States
    This was what you replied to

    You replied, "he does that".

    My comprehension is just fine. If Edu plays the #8, he has to be able to provide some forward distribution and connect some passes in the offensive 3rd. In responding, you said yes he does that. Yet, he doesn't.

    Pretty damn clear.
     
  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    If Klinsman wanted to play a 451 he should have brought in an attacking midfielder. Otherwise just stick with 442 and get real attacking players in the wide berths.
     
  22. WrmBrnr

    WrmBrnr Member+

    Apr 12, 2001
    San Carlos
    I am confused. You have done quite a job defending those same choices by Klinsmann in the past as changing our playing philosophy. Why the change?
     
  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    He's provided forward distribution and connected some passed in the offensive 3rd.

    Has he done both in each game of the past two games? No. Maybe there was a misunderstanding over the text which is cool. Hopefully that clears things up.
     
  24. Arisrules

    Arisrules Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Washington, DC
    This article is spot-on (I didn't realize Williams/Shea/Edu have been so bad in the attacking half).

    Why does anybody think we'll have anything going forward with three d-mids? It's a complete impossibility.

    My problem is that while we haven't let up a lot of goals, I just think it's been more due to being a bit lucky, rather than some sort of revolution of tactics. That and the fact that we have THREE d-mids with high work-rates in the midfield busting their ass. BB tried that once I think (he had the 4-3-3 with MB, Edu, and JJ). That didn't work, even though MB and JJ are much more proactive going forward. How on earth is it going to work with Edu, Beckerman, and Williams?

    We are relying on the trio of Shea/Dempsey/Jozy to score. How do the tactics change when Donovan gets healthy? I don't know. Klinsman talked about moving Donovan to the center, but we all know that Donovan fades in and out of games way too much to have him pull the strings for 90 minutes (dempsey is much more consistent, but he's not a 10, which is why we need one of Feilheiber/Kleijstan/Holden/Torres on the field; btw that is the order in which I rate those players).

    Yet JK has shown over 6 games an almost inane stubborness in his roster selection. Yes we haven't let up goals, but we are producing nothing going forward. Our passing game, outside of a couple of moments, has been abysmal. My problem isn't that we aren't scoring. My problem is that we have not improved one iota since the tie against Mexico (which was JK's best game by far). That midfield of course featured MB and JJ with Beckerman (who are the best d-mids we have), but also Torres (who again of the four "a-mid" type players is the least capable in my opinion) to pair with LD and Buddle. JK needs to get his head out of his ass. He's wasting precious opportunities with these friendlies to try new tactics and players.
     
  25. la torre

    la torre Member

    Dec 27, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    playing Williams as our first choice winger boggles my mind.

    I wouldn't mind seeing him given a shot at LB to move Chandler to RB.

    He's not being put in a position to succeed on the wing, though.

    As for Edu, he's had a couple bad games, and we have some capable replacements. Seems like a no-brainer to give someone else a chance.
     

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