Analysis: USA-SVN - Coulibaly (MLI)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2010: Refereeing' started by Lloyd Heilbrunn, Jun 14, 2010.

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  1. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    It's a little offtopic, and I have no idea how Hall refereed in MLS, but he was an outstanding FIFA referee. He is one of many examples of the folly of FIFA's mandatory retirement age of 45.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I won't delete the posts, but he's been warned. I urge others to heed Alberto's advice.
     
  3. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brian like many referees here in the US was Jekyll and Hyde. I must admit many of his performances in MLS were questionable. Rare was a match that didn't feature some controversy and or dissent. Where Brian flourished was in the World Cup qualifiers and in Japan-Korea. Once Brian returned to MLS, he continued to perform at the same high level he exhibited at the World Cup. I believe it was the system in place in MLS that resulted in poor performances. In my opinion, the incompetent people in charge let him referee with minimal interference and that was the only difference as to why he was better domestically.
     
  4. KMJvet

    KMJvet BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2001
    Quake Country
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brian Hall reffed some of my AYSO matches when I was about 11. He wasn't much older. Who knew we had a WC referee!
     
  5. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Someone told me he was just terrible when he was young but something changed in him. Second hand story though who knows.
     
  6. KMJvet

    KMJvet BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2001
    Quake Country
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't recall any problems...but as I said, I was only about 11. My mother tells me he was very well liked.
     
  7. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Mandatory retirement was a good idea before they monitored referees' fitness so closely. Nowadays, if a ref consistently passes his testing, is there any reason to drop him at 45?

    As it happens, Hall had his own Coulibaly moment in 2005, nullifying an important goal for a reason that was impossible to detect.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/21/AR2005102102399.html

    In general, though, he stood out in MLS for being efficient and decisive, for getting most calls right, and for applying the laws consistently.
     
  8. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Many young players were terrible when they were young too.
    Things change.
     
  9. PVancouver

    PVancouver Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    I am a little curious how you or your mother even knew the name of your referee for your U-12 AYSO match, and even more curious as to how you would remember the name or recognize his face years later.
     
  10. imasyko

    imasyko Member+

    May 16, 2002
    Spring City, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just mentioned that our man from Mali will be the fourth ref in the Italy = NZgame today. Hopefully that's as close to the field as he gets for the rest of this tournament.
     
  11. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I'm surprised to see him get any work the rest of this tournament.
     
  12. Wolfie65

    Wolfie65 Member

    Jun 16, 2010
    Albuquerque, NM
    I also did not see a foul, but the whistle clearly blows right after the kick, before the goal.
    So if the whistle ends a play, there is no goal.
    Hate to say it, but Alexi Lalas is right, dicey refereeing has always been an integral part of soccer and changing that (to include things like instant replays, for example) would completely change the game.
     
  13. Albirrojo

    Albirrojo Member

    Aug 27, 2004
  14. Albirrojo

    Albirrojo Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    I may be wrong but it does seem it is much worse in the International games, even Champions League if one wants to call that International too.
     
  15. JoeMax

    JoeMax New Member

    Oct 5, 2006
    Houston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When I was a young player, I was the fastest one on the pitch. Things change.
     
  16. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Member+

    May 25, 2006
  17. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep.
     
  18. david58

    david58 New Member

    Aug 29, 2003
    Oregon
    Fifa has made their statement. About the ref or the US I can't tell, though.
     
  19. vetshak

    vetshak Member+

    May 26, 2009
    Minnesota
    Coulibaly was assigned to this game well before the US game. Being a 4O is today is not a statement on his performance from that game.
     
  20. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think FIFA made their statement about FIFA, much like in the Ireland-France incident. The most important factor in any action by FIFA is how well it does for FIFA.
     
  21. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You got that right!
     
  22. snkscore

    snkscore Member+

    Jun 24, 2007
    La Grange, IL
    I'm not suggesting that it was fixed, but the result impacts more than just Slovenia. England stood to gain by the US not winning, and of course the most likely suspect is a mobster looking to profit on betting.

    Again, I don't think it was fixed, but I don't think the size of the benefiting teams country is really a rational for saying it wasn't.
     
  23. snkscore

    snkscore Member+

    Jun 24, 2007
    La Grange, IL
    Wasn't he schedule to retire almost immediately after the WC?

    I remember this from reading his book, which I'm assuming almost every ref has, because it was really interesting.
     
  24. snkscore

    snkscore Member+

    Jun 24, 2007
    La Grange, IL
    I haven't read through all the comments here, but from the 15 or so pages, I didn't see anyone talking about the fact that the ref seemed to point at someone just as the camera cut away.

    He blew for the "foul".

    Right arm points up field.

    Left arm points (kinda in the direction of Jozy, or maybe the AR).

    Camera cuts.


    I watched over and over and Jozy did absolutely nothing. No grabing no pushing, just started a near post run and was being held by the SLV player before he sees the ball go over his head and he lets up.
     
  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is exactly right. Don't read anything into this assignment. The question of whether or not he gets a whistle for a second match is a bigger one.

    Also, I helped us stray in that direction, unfortunately, but Brian Hall's career has nothing to do with this topic so hopefully that portion of our discussion is over.
     

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