Amistosos: v. Costa Rica, 9/5; v. USA, 9/8 [R]

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by omajac, Sep 5, 2015.

  1. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I refuse to be fooled by another U.S. friendly. Even Mano and Ganso looked like the second coming vs them. We just have their number in these games. The 90s U.S. teams were more competitive than this.
     
  2. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    I was about to say leave it to US to make us look like The 82 team out there.:ROFLMAO:
     
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  3. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    If we are to use Neymar as a pointman up front..I would like to see Oscar, Lima and Lucas or Willian behind him
     
  4. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I just hope Lucas Moura is now above Douglas Costa in the pecking order of wingers.
     
  5. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Wonder if we'll see Kaka?
     
  6. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Definitely outplayed him though I don't Costa did a bad job in these 2 games.
     
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  7. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    I don't know what worse for the 9 role. Hulk messing up almost everything he touch or Firmino being virtually invisible.
     
  8. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Right through Grohe's hands? Soft goal there, but credit to Williams for trying.
     
  9. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Jefferson wouldn't have conceded that.
     
  10. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I look at that Grohe mistake as a blessing.. I think dunga really was considering him to start for next month.
     
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  11. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Os caras tavam tao ruim hoje que chegou a azedar. Fora Klinsmann !!! :ROFLMAO:
     
  12. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The US made Willian look like Maradona and David Luiz like Beckenbauer !

    That was such an easy game. Can't really take much for it. Would have liked to see the team play more through Lucas Lima to see what he could do.
     
  13. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Dunga is the champion of friendly games :ROFLMAO:
     
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  14. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    What makes you think he still won't be the number 1 after this? Dunga rationale for anything makes no sense.
     
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  15. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Any goalie could've conceded that...Jefferson included!! Though I do think he will start the WCQ's
     
  16. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    To be fair Jefferson was injured before the friendlies. I was surprised he even made the trip to the States.

    But like @Kaka10725 said, Dunga's rationale is anyone's guess. Grohe is younger, playing for a first division team competing for the title in Brasil, and I hate to bring this up but a Gaucho. Not saying Dunga would pick a player completely based on that but I wouldn't be surprised if regional familiarity has a tiny role in it.

    I'm pumped for next month because thats when the real show begins. I think this team needs a grimy WCQs in South America to whip them into shape. Chile will be extremely hard away.
     
  17. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Well one thing for sure unless he's injured Hulk will be leading our front line!!

    Would be even crazier if Dunga went back to a 4-4-2 and have both Hulk and Firmino up front
     
  18. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Hulk 2 goals gave him the starting job under Dunga :rolleyes:. If he continues to scores, It is what it is but I'm not convinced at all. He's the same Hulk from Scolari era.

    Also, I think Lucas Lima performances kicked Coutinho out of the team. I don't see Dumga taking bringing him when Oscar returns.
     
  19. TotaalVoetbal

    TotaalVoetbal Member

    Jan 25, 2015
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Lucas Lima has pretty much ended Coutinho's chances I think. Like Oscar he played like pretty much a 3rd midfielder. Gives the team continuity which was severely lacking at the Copa.

    Hulk is a good option off the bench but starter he is not. His movement isn't great & too many attacks break down once he receives the ball.

    Willian played extremely well in the 1st half but Douglas & Lucas Moura offer way more end product.

    Some very good players but Dunga must find better alternatives to Hulk & Elias before the WC.
     
  20. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So, is it between Moura and Costa for the wing-forward job opposite Neymar, or is Willian still maintaining the starting spot, or what?
     
  21. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Willian is Dunga's dream workhorse player but his end product leaves a lot to be desired. It drove me crazy during the Costa Rico game seeing him purposely avoid trying to shoot. I'd say it'll take a few months(maybe even a year or 2) but if Lucas continues to pump out explosive performances like he did today and continues to evolve at PSG, the job will ultimately be his. He is finally becoming the player people thought he'd be back when he was at SPFC.

    Costa to me at least still needs to work on his end product. He just seems like a completely different player with Bayern than with us. He still has that explosiveness but his decision making leave a lot to be desired.
     
  22. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Btw, I thought Fabinho did great tonight. I was loving his tackles. Here is to hoping Dunga never thinks about calling up Alves again.
     
  23. Bakaman

    Bakaman Member

    May 8, 2008
    São Paulo, Brazil
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Another player that caught my attention even though he didn't get much playtime was Rafinha. Damn was he hungry for his spot! Don't think he missed a single pass, scored and that series of sliding tackles towards the end of the game was awe inspiring. Maybe he is the CMF we are looking for.

    I also think Lucas Lima and Oscar can play the CMF role as well, and all three would be infinitely better than Fernandinho or Elias.

    The fight on the wings is getting fiecer now that Douglas Costa form is improving greatly and Lucas has finally got a chance. A trio of Costa-Neymar-Lucas is pretty much GG (neymar not necessarily a false 9, let him play a free role and drag the defenders with him, opening space for diagonal runs from the other players), but if we stick Neymar to his standard position we will probably still see Hulk as false 9 and one of Costa/Lucas will warm the bench, which is a waste. Willian is a solid sub at this point.

    Also liked Fabinho's performance, though USA didn't really test us defensively.
     
  24. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    I think Costa will start in Neymar absence for the first two games but it's most likely will be a trio a Neymar, Willian and Hulk going forward. Thank you Concacaf :rolleyes:.

    Costa and Moura have to try to kick Willian off the team. Easier said then done IMO not only is Willian a harder worker but he performed well under Dunga.


    Good performance but he isn't ready yet like @Mengão86, I won't get hype over playing great against the U.S. WC. He needs to get more playing time at Barca.
     
  25. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'd love to sit here and talk about how Lucas Moura had two assists, but I don't feel like it would be a fair assessment if I judged a player for anything that transpired in the second half.
     
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