News: Amistoso, Brasil X Colômbia, 5 de Setembro de 2014 [R]

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by Century's Best, Jul 8, 2014.

  1. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uh, I would say so!
     
  2. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Yellow? I'd call that red.
     
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  3. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Could have been ... I agree with that.
     
  4. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    So, I'm blind. Right. You can't see that Colombia's strategy is "let's just break someone's leg - a vertebra was not enough", huh?
     
  5. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    It's part of the context of Colombia not playing ball, but just fouling all the time and being generally violent, cynical, and unsportsmanlike. Sometimes refs show cards when a team engages in excessive fouling especially when the fouls deny goal-scoring opportunities.
     
  6. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    In a game with a million fouls, some do not warrant a yellow. Colombia's red card (second yellow to Cuadrado) did not warrant a card. That's doesn't forgive them for their tactics.

    And yes that's taking into account the repeated fouling.
     
  7. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, you're blind. Or rather, you are overly emotional. Either way, you are plain wrong about the Cuadrado red. Simple as that.
     
  8. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    I really don't understand what you guys are thinking. A striker has a direct line to the goal, is coming in fast, then without any ball contact is shoved abruptly by the defender so that he loses his step and falls, denying him a goal-scoring opportunity - in ANY book, that's a yellow card.

    He had one already, therefore, red card.

    The contact itself wasn't particularly violent but it did deny a direct goal-scoring opportunity, which the rule book mandates to be punished with a yellow, at least.
     
  9. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    I disagree. Read the rule book and pay attention to the part of the rule that addresses fouls that are goal-denying.
     
  10. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    If that was a yellow, this game should have been 9 x 9 by now. :D

    Seriously, both teams should feel ashamed how they came out to play this game. I can only imagine how the WCQ games will be.
     
  11. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Goal denying, he was running parallel to the goal outside the box. Give me a break.
     
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  12. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stop Brasitusa. Just stop. Now you are arguing that Neymar "has a direct line to the goal" on that play??? Good gracious, he was running parallel to the goal line outside the box. he wasn't even running towards the goal. And there were plenty of players between he and the goal. You're just making things up now.
     
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  13. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Denying a goal-scoring opportunity is a phrase with a specific meaning in refereeing that you can look up and apply easily. It's a term of art for a particular thing, not a colloquial idea about whether someone can shoot or not.

    TLDR, that is not a goal-scoring opportunity in the context of DOGSO. Not even close.
     
  14. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    OK, maybe I am. I guess I can't get passed the Zuniga-Neymar incident in the WC. I really hate Colombia. I admit to the fact that my hatred is clouding my judgment.
     
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  15. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm repping you for coming clean. I figured that was the real reason but I hate to throw around unproven allegations. We know what happened in the World Cup. it sucked. But we can't let it color every decision of ours from here until kingdom come.
     
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  16. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    It will be war. There will be casualties.
     
  17. XaviandXabi

    XaviandXabi Member

    May 4, 2005
    CT
    Could we stop arguing over the stupid card and get back to the game. Defense has been solid but the offense looks so non cohesive.
     
  18. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Coutinho for Oscar
    Everton Ribeiro for Willian
     
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  19. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Falcao and Robinho entering. This could get good.
     
  20. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Big roar for Robinho coming in ... oh wait ... :ROFLMAO:
     
  21. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I don't see that changing in the short-term if we're doing this typical four-man Brazilian midfield. It will either take a slow but steady evolution that discovers one or two pieces that can change things up (like Elano) without losing anything or an epiphany by someone (Dunga as long as he's the coach) that we can't keep doing things this way.

    But I've been saying this for literally 20 years, many of those on this site, so I just sound like an old broken record at this point.
     
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  22. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Yeah, sure. From my side I've already admitted to the fact that I've allowed my hatred of Colombia cloud my judgment. I know, strong word, hatred, and I don't mean it against the Colombian people who are our brothers, I just mean it in the sports context.

    Oh God I hope we score and win this game! So many wasted opportunities! I know, a friendly doesn't matter, but I just want to beat Colombia...
     
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  23. XaviandXabi

    XaviandXabi Member

    May 4, 2005
    CT
    Robinho has gotten fat.
     
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  24. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has Robinho gained weight?
     
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  25. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Whoa ! Does Robinho look fat ?
     

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