American expansion possibilities

Discussion in 'NWSL Expansion' started by WPS_Movement, Dec 28, 2012.

  1. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    So, if this ends up getting blocked, do they have an alternative option on where to play? Otherwise Boston may get tossed.
     
  2. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    It might get delayed but no way Boston is getting tossed. Remember, they've spent millions on the expansion fee already, and NWSL has prepped for them to enter. We're not in little league territory anymore. If NYCFC can play in a baseball stadium for over a decade in MLS while they work out an actual stadium plan, Boston can find an alternative stadium for NWSL until they get one of their own.
     
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  3. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1728 Jeremy Goodwin, Sep 5, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2024
    They're currently negotiating the lease. The time for public input has gone by and approvals are in place. Asking the state to block this is the longest of long shots because this isn't a DCR property, it's all Boston.

    The only way they're going to be able to do this is by saying this is an exception to general home rule, and they would need the state to determine that this lease is a disposal of park land, which to be fair has been their argument all along, but leasing property while maintaining its core function isn't disposal, in my opinion.
     
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  4. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    The Cleveland bid is gaining steam. When the league hits 16 teams, do they opt for two conferences?

    EAST: Boston, Gotham FC, Washington, NC Courage, Cleveland, Orlando, Louisville, Chicago
    WEST: Seattle, Portland, Angel City, Bay FC, San Diego, Utah, Houston, Kansas City
     
  5. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Maybe, but it feels like 20 would be the time to split, just for scheduling purposes. The logical schedule for conferences of 8 is playing home and away vs conference opponents (14 games) and alternating years of home and away vs non conference (8 games). That drops you to 22 games from the current 26. At 20 you do the same thing but you get 18 conference games and 10 non conference, giving you 28 total.
     
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  6. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    I mean, MLS has always had 2 conferences. People want them to do 4 divisions now that they're hitting 30 teams.
     
  7. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except when it had 3.
     
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  8. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Which was extremely bizarre.
     
  9. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I mean, geographically it made a ton of sense, and still would today. It's a bit odd for the sake of the playoffs, but heck, MLB has done (multiples of) three for decades and it's suited them just fine.
     
  10. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    My favorite era, but I also miss the Adams, Norris, Patrick, and Smythe divisions in the Campbell and Wales conferences.
     
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  11. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Appears Cleveland will be announced around the week of the championship game.
     
  12. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I wouldn't trust random Reddit rumors, especially with the way that particular post was written and by who, but the ownership group did just buy a large amount of land ostensibly for their stadium earlier this week, so that is suggestive of itself.

    Actual links for those interested:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/NWSL/comments/1g0kgnz/welcome_to_the_nwsl_cleveland/ (only thing I've found posted today)
    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5819621/2024/10/05/nwsl-expansion-cleveland/ (from Saturday)
    https://worldsoccertalk.com/news/cleveland-pushing-to-become-next-nwsl-expansion-team/ (essentially the same as above, but posted yesterday)
    https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2024/10/09/cleveland-favourites-land-16th-nwsl-franchise/ (yesterday, labeling the group as "favorites" but giving far fewer details than the Reddit rumor)
     
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  13. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #1739 SiberianThunderT, Oct 12, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2024
    Just expanding on these for any potential insight past team #16:
    The Athletic mentions Cincy, Denver, Jacksonville, Minnesota, Atlanta, and Nashville, though admits Minnesota already pulled out. The Reddit rumor mentions Minnesota, Nashville, and Miami, as well as Cleveland being part of a group of "2 or 3 [bids with] certain locations" for their stadiums. At least, that's what I get from how it's worded, with the wording being admittedly suspect in places. And that does seem weird with all three of the "uncertain stadium" bids actually having reliable existing stadiums, so I don't know what to make of things there... Though, to be fair, going on the Sportico report from August, Cleveland was top three with Cincy and Denver, so cross-checking the sources like that would paint a consistent picture and suggests those two might be 17+18 if the MLS-backed bids don't improve. Interesting to me that Austin isn't apparently in the mix.
     
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  14. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    What a terrible choice

    1845926158388306063 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  15. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I could suffer a traumatic brain injury every single day for the rest of my life and still come up with a better name than that.
     
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  16. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Like, it could be made infinitely better just by changing the name to simply "Nation FC" and lean into the American revolution branding - it would be a bit grandiose but still way better than "Bos Nation FC", dear lord...
     
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  17. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Waat tha faaaaak
     
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  18. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One thing about MLS keeping the names boring for most new teams since 2007 is that an unoriginal name at least avoids this kind of thing.
     
  19. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1846193497855938956 is not a valid tweet id


    I didn’t think it could worse after the name reveal.
     
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  20. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NWSL signed off on this?
     
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  21. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like Bos Nation and I like the ad. They're going "crude," which I find fitting for Boston sports fans.
     
  22. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's "Xtreme" in the worst way.

    Just screams year 4 rebrand.
     
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  23. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I'd heard of the "too many balls" thing the other day, and... yeah that's a weird approach (esp. for a team that plays with balls). I mean, I get it, but it's still weird.

    The only positive that came out of that intro video is that I now know that "BOS Nation" is supposed to be an anagram of "Bostonian". Which only further convinces me that someone on the board convinced the rest of the board that people would enjoy this "big brain" name, and everyone else promptly forgot that "big brain" is not how you build brands, because it's way too easy to get in too deep and completely lose everyone outside of your little boardroom.
     
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  24. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1750 Jeremy Goodwin, Oct 16, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2024
    I'm no longer annoyed about this today, I've shifted to confusion.

    Everyone except the print media will clearly just call this team Nation FC, so why bother tacking BOS on the front of it like the city is just the airport? Especially when the stadium is down in Dorchester, about as far from the airport as you can get.

    Maybe something about the Emerald Necklace would have been appropriate, or something referencing the Bear Dens. Something referencing the neighborhood itself (why not Dot Nation?)

    It's just immediately recognizeable as an outsider crap name. It's what someone who had never been to Boston for more than 48 hours at a time would make up, and it would be more appropriate for Philadelphia (the Birthplace of the Nation). Especially after they debuted with that green logo (which probably will be changed too I guess).

    It's up there with Sky Blue FC having "limitless potential" or the Nike nicknames from MLS 1.0. Totally detached from location and meaning.
     
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