American expansion possibilities

Discussion in 'NWSL Expansion' started by WPS_Movement, Dec 28, 2012.

  1. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Curious where this phantom team would play? Hofstra?
     
  2. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I mean, I wouldn't even call it a "phantom team", there is literally no sign of interest right now. X'-D The article is nothing more than a journalist following through with what sensible local questions might be.

    But if we want to WMG our way through NYC, then you're gonna run into the same problems that Gotham and NYCFC have already been struggling with for years: RBA is the only semi-viable soccer stadium in the area. College stadiums are out of the question at this point, both from a capacity standpoint and from a TV-infrastructure standpoint. And there isn't really room in NYC to build a new pro stadium (of any sport) anywhere.
     
  3. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    There’s a nice soccer stadium at Rochester. Gotham is pretty much playing at Red Bull. Doesn’t make sense to have two teams really close together%
     
  4. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Sorely misguided take. Most of the football world, including LA and NYC, beg to differ on this.
     
  5. babykhris

    babykhris Member

    Philadelpia Union
    Nov 30, 2008
    Philadlphia,PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  6. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005


    I think hey skip next year for expansion due to the World Cup, but start expanding again for 2024.
     
  7. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Interesting... Toronto and Columbus are new names in the mix. The others have already been in the picture for a while.

    There's no reason to speculate on that - they've gone on record multiple times already (including some of the news shared in this thread over the past week) that 2023 is off the table. Now, there could be some speculation on the reason why - and I don't think it's because of the World Cup. Just look at NWSL's history - three of the past four expansions have had more than one year before launch, and it's not hard to argue that those have been the best launches the league has seen. No one wants or needs a short run up.
     
  8. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    And just as a recap for the seven cities mentioned:

    Atlanta - showed some interest a few years ago, been mostly quiet since
    Austin - been showing interest on and off since the MLS team launched
    Cincy - somewhere between Atlanta and Austin
    Columbus - new, not one I would like to see
    San Francisco - been in the picture since the other two CA teams; a recent tweet suggested they were very close to a 2024 approval
    Salt Lake - new ownership group has a rider to relaunch the Royals in either 2023 (already ruled out by both them and by NWSL) or 2024 (likely)
    Toronto - new, might run into similar problems that Vancouver did the other year
     
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  9. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Interestingly, it sounds like Austin FC may be owning but not operating a potential NWSL team there:

    And I guess Denver and New England are in the picture too? (Return of the Breakers?)
     
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  10. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Salt Lake & San Francisco/San Jose appear the front-runners, likely for 2024. Don't think the NWSL will have teams in Cincinnati AND Columbus. I'd pencil in Cincinnati first. Austin appears uncertain. Toronto probably hits the same roadblocks that Vancouver did. Atlanta should have a team considering how successful their MLS team is for fans. Denver's new. Wouldn't mind the Breakers returning. If I were to guess, I'd say four of these actually happen: Utah Royals return, Bay Area team, Cincinnati & Atlanta.
     
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  11. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    I think it is so important that the quality of talent is there before they expand to fast. They also need a marquee player in these new cities to draw fans. Alex Morgan in San Diego is a huge draw. Same with Press at Angel City.
     
  12. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #1512 SiberianThunderT, May 14, 2022
    Last edited: May 14, 2022
    While I agree in general about the speed of expansion - I've pushed the brakes on other posters in this thread many times throughout the years - I don't think either of these concerns is something to actually worry about.

    Talent pool - not a concern for three reasons: one, we've seen in MLS that there's really no such thing as "expanding too fast for the talent pool"; two, the domestic WoSo talent pool via NCAA is way deeper than it is for BroSo; and three, NWSL pays way more for mid- and lower-high-tier players than any other league, which is definitely not the case with MLS, so attracting non-domestic talent isn't a problem either

    Marquee player - doesn't really matter from either end of the argument. UTA and LOU have proven to do quite well without marquee players. Conversely, ORL's historic talent riches have not helped their attendance much at all. Plus, LA would likely be drawing as well as they are even without Press, just because of the market hunger for WoSo
     
  13. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    "NWSL pays way more for mid- and lower-high-tier players than any other league"

    I had no idea about this. Thank you for this information.
     
  14. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Yeah, NWSL's minimum salary is higher than the median salary for most other leagues.
     
  15. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I'd guess the Breakers name is in the dustbin of history. I would be shocked at this point if that name is recycled.
     
  16. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Nashville and Phoenix in the mix now, too. Atlanta a top candidate.

    https://justwomenssports.com/nwsl-expansion-possibilities-mls-owners-interest/

    Atlanta, according to The Athletic, is also a top candidate for NWSL expansion, with a team spokesperson telling the publication in March, “We continue to evaluate bringing an NWSL franchise to Atlanta. As part of this process, we’ve had several productive conversations with the league; however, we are not in a position to provide an update, nor a timetable, at this time.”
     
  17. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    That JWS article mischaracterizes Atlanta's candidacy. The Athletic article they link to says "Atlanta has to be considered a front-runner" as opposed to "is also a top candidate". I have to image Atlanta looks desirable from the outside in, just because of the kind of operation they have established with the MLS team, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're very far along in the process at all. Also, the quote comes from March, not recently.
     

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