American democracy health thread

As someone who used to love DC, I hope that Trump scatters all of the federal agencies across the least-inhabitable corners of the Midwest, South, and Southwest. The institutions now serve themselves and other nations. They need to be integrated into the fabric of the country, providing jobs in places where they are needed. The elites need to be reintroduced to the rest of the country. That’s a good place to start to rebuild.

 

It will be a big deal when people find out who the pipe bomber is and we process the ramifications of that.

 

I hear is their MAGA. But also saw that the survives of when the military was on college campuses in the 80s who are not parents and grandparents led the charge.

What will drive Americans to protest to the level of SK or even Israel when Bibi wanted to change the constitution?

I actually envision Trump calling in the national guard to stop the count due to reports of illegal activity in the swing states.

Not sure even that will turn people.

 

I will entertain this because though I disagree with you politically, I will give you credit for being civil.

Nietzsche's Dad was on to a point and I think you have described it that we have to accept that the American public is dumb. And I don't mean that necessarily like insulting and angry liberal you guys are dumb, I mean that our public has over the years due to poor educational structure and partially intent by I guess those who oversee education in states, I believe a lot of Republican forces have destroyed the understanding of civics and the ability to read and comprehend.

I can link to it but the latest literacy stats say that 50 percent of Americans, are so poor in literacy, that they struggle to read drug prescriptions. Consider that for a minute when we think about the average public in the working class and how that inability combined with the fact that we don't teach civics in school because everybody's being geared up to just pass exams and and pass test. This means, that we've got a greater amount of an uneducated populace. So like the article says, we think we are better but we're no better now, than a lot of third world countries, where the kids never go to school and everyone is working menial jobs as soon as they reach working age.

I mean stats show we have a greater wealth divide than ever before. So all of this means that our politics is going to become much more visceral and much more emotional. Unfortunately I believe as a liberal, we have too many academics sitting around trying to theorize what could happen and creating campaigns that they would vote for and not looking at the actual situation on the ground. We mock Trump for speaking like a fourth grader but considering how bad people's ability to read and comprehend and these people work a lot of blue collar and Working Poor jobs, the Simplicity of the message works.

I noticed this within my community and the change I'm trying to make with our educational district. I ask people what they think or how they feel about the school district and they'll say the school is messed up or the teachers ain't teaching right. But then because I have my fancy education and degrees, I am able to tease out ways to help them fully form out their thoughts on what their actual issues with the school district.

And I think this is where we are at and where it will continue is that we're going to have to get more populist politicians who are more plain spoken unless fancy and much more direct than their language and their plans.

I always felt the Democrats should have just had a simple message regarding inflation and economics and say Trump messed up we're cleaning it up. It would have been a lot simpler than trying to explain inflation and all that economics of everything but I don't know why they went with a simple message.

I guess this also credits Trump for his marketing cunning. The man is like IQ level not smart but he has an incredible cunning and innate sense of marketing that you can teach or coach. He understands marketing and branding and the Simplicity of people's minds. People thought it was crazy that he stopped the covid checks to put his signature on it but even today there are people who still believe he sent that check to them.

I hope the Democrats learned a lesson but we will see.

 

Forgive me when I say I don't believe you on your vote choice.

Either you voted for Harris and you're terrified, or you're lying. Third party vote was very low this time around. Occam's Razor!

 

I've never been ashamed of my vote choice. I didn't vote at all in this election, because neither of these two candidates won me over. I would have voted for any other Republican, like Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis.

 

Just to clarify, I voted for Trump in 2020, but not 2016. I lived in DC at the time, so my vote was meaningless regardless. We live in Virginia now, though.

2020 was a weird time, and the only reason I voted for Trump was that I was concerned that a Democratic President would impose pandemic-related restrictions like we saw in places like Australia. Anyway, like I said, we lived in DC at the time so my vote was meaningless, either way.

 

I’ve been assured that my vote for Nader in 2000, in UTAH!!!!, was what ruined our country.

But @soccernutter ‘s vote for him in Florida most definitely was!

 

All my vote in 2020 did was cancel out my wife's vote for Biden.

 

Even if that all comes to pass they won't ever admit they were wrong.
I think they can all endure a ridiculous decline in standard of living if the alternative is to acknowledge reality.

 

Well at the very least they are people who are very comfortable with policies that will harm millions of minorities. If you want to classify that as being "bad people" or not is a personal choice, I reckon.

 

Trump did better with a number of minority groups this time around than he did in either of the last two elections. Does your analysis apply to them, as well?

 

Unless there is a 180° change of direction between the current rhetoric and their actual policies, Trump II intends to unleash rather repressive policies on both immigrants and members of the LBGTQ community. What does the fact that Trump's coalition includes larger numbers of minorities than four years ago have to do with that?

 

So when you realized your logic for your 2020 vote was wrong...you decided to support Trump again!

 

Again, I didn't vote for anyone this time around. I'm okay with my vote in 2020.

 

1) We've already agreed to disagree on a habitual voter skipping an election.

2) But you were wrong! The entire rationale for your vote choice was a lie! And you're okay with it?

How any of the rest of you respect this decisionmaking... let's say my opinion wasn't high before.

 

Wasn't this election about the future of democracy? Sounders is literally fleeing the country. I think the least we could do is ask a Republican to hold their nose. If Dick ********en Cheney can do it, anyone can.

 

I'm not exactly what you'd call a habitual voter. Certainly not in these last three election cycles.

And it's kind of pointless to relitigate pandemic era politics at this point. It's not like anyone is going to change their mind about things like lockdowns and vaccine mandates. I believe people like you fell for mass media-created hysteria, and you think people like me were callous and didn't care if grandma died. Not sure if there's any productive conversation to be had about any of it now.