American democracy health thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by superdave, Mar 11, 2018.

  1. superdave

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    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/what-if-trump-is-right-about-america

    1. Take your anti depressants.
    2. Hide the knives.
    3. Read this.

    The COVID point…we just saw a whack job do a few drive by posts about our fascist mask mandates and stuff. Well, reading the article, Trump is betting that the living don’t care about the dead, that when people think “Covid” they don’t think “horrible tragedy” they think “my sister lost her job when the mall shut down and my kids had to do remote learning.” What if he’s right?

    But, I have to say, his #2 is IMO just wrong. Palin 2008 was a pretty clear piece of evidence that no, Republican gatekeepers were not strong, and the evidence was there in 2008-9. And then, we had Herman Cain 2012. So, the argument that before the escalator ride, the GOP had formidable guardrails, I dunno. When’s the last time a Plin or Cain got that close to power on the D side? John Edwards is the closest, I guess, but I don’t see it.
     
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  2. NietzscheIsDead

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    Yes, I take eleventy-quadrillion mg ibuprofen every day.

    Nobody here is interested in answering simple questions about their beliefs? Are you guys like a cult that only shares its innermost secrets with the initiated?
     
  3. NietzscheIsDead

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    You all will continue to slide until you go outside your comfort zone and admit that you have been wrong about most of the important issues since 2015, and in some of those cases the issues are such zeitgeist-changers that many serious people who do not have financial skins in the game have left the party. Even Bill Maher has one foot out the door.

    In my opinion your ultimate fatal flaw will be your reliance on censorship and rather than persuasion and taking your politics of personal destruction into the realm of average joes. You all censored leading professionals, lawyers, researchers, whistleblowers, and physicians en masse. You have left a growing group of disenfranchised center-left folks who now see you as the monstrous face on the evil machine Edward Snowden unmasked. Your failures with covid will resonate for generations in the scientific community, which is having its own silent uprising against woke leftism right now.
     
  4. superdave

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    That’s a pretty good rallying cry: We are the monstrous face on the evil machine! Cower before our might and steely will!
     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    are you doing anything though?

    your next governor may well be a holocaust denier guy. are you doing anything about that?
     
  6. The Jitty Slitter

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    snowden lives in moscow at the pleasure of a genocidal maniac lol
     
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    doesn’t really seem like a viable plan
     
  8. roadkit

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    I'm also stocking up on canned food, shampoo, and toilet paper.
     
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  9. Sounders78

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    So far you've covered the "Biden crime syndicat", anti-vaxxers, "weaponization of the DOJ" ... Spouting conspiracy theories and Fox News talking points does not equal rational discussion. I think your problem is thinking that because you read and heard some projecting nonsense that you think it's true. You're like MTG wearing a "censored" mask while speaking in the House of Representatives.

    The vaccine works, any idiot can look at the data from around the world, especially in the Pacific Islands, and see that.
     
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  10. roadkit

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    No they're not. The reason it's not having whatever result you think they want is because it's not weaponized. If these prosecutions were evidence of "weaponization of the DOJ" Trump and his family and shitbird conspirators like Giuliani, Stone, et al,. would be in their 3rd year of incarceration in GITMO.

    No it's not. Maybe it is in the MAGAverse where the weaponization of stupidity is a daily occurence.
     
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  11. roadkit

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    Come on now! COVID is just like the flu. That's why Herman Cain died from it less than a month after attending one of Trump's superspreader events.
     
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  12. superdave

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    You’re moving the goalposts.
     
  13. NietzscheIsDead

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    Yes, you're one of those echo chamber people who is short on information from outside the cave.

    There is already reasonable widespread belief backed up be numerous and overwhelming facts that the DOJ and other institutions were weaponized against Trump. It is so egregious that they have literally had to create predicate from whole cloth by lying on warrants.

    Meanwhile, you all publicly admit in your communications that you need to take extraordinary measures to get rid of Trump including abuse of power. "Viva la resistance", eh? Because "Democracy dies in darkness", right?

    Your behavior is plain to see by everyone but yourselves.

    For the country to self-correct, the prople who weaponized their positions and institutions because orange man bad are going to have to meet justice. They need to be charged under rico statutes.
     
  14. superdave

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    I know you are but what am I.

    You know, even for a wing nut conspiracy theorist, even in that context, the ratio of words to facts is extreme. Like, every sentence is a vague assertion that what your algorithmically curated social media feeds tell credulous people like yourself is true.

    Do you know that Trump had stolen documents at Mar a Lago, and refused to return them, and infect conspired with his staff to hide them from the FBI? His guilt in that case is beyond a shadow of a doubt, not even a reasonable doubt, but a shadow of a doubt.

    In short, hey big boy, you think you can play with us? Show me the facts.

    Trumo is a pathologist liar and it’s funny to see the fools who believe him. How many people do YOU think this is?

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  15. NietzscheIsDead

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    Trump stole documents, eh? Tell us how those documents ended up at Mar-a-Lago.
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    interesting comments from Greg Sargent on American fascism and the current debate about it.

     
  17. ElNaranja

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    He had them out in boxes and transported there. Are you suggesting the FBU et al put them there?
     
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  18. superdave

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    His point isn’t to suggest anything. Look carefully at his posts. Does he show any indication he wants a dialogue? No, he does not. He’s just trolling, in the purest sense.
     
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  19. soccernutter

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    Building a bunker and storing it with rations.
     
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  20. soccernutter

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    And you say you don't do casual violence.
     
  21. soccernutter

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    Skipped WWII did you?
     
  22. soccernutter

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    You're serious, aren't you?

    Which will be ignored by SCOTUS.
     
  23. soccernutter

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    And, IIRC, other than when nominating him for Attorney General, Biden has made it a point not to meet with Garland, as a point to show that the AG/DOJ is independent. Trump met with all his AG, and even Comey (?) said his meeting involved Trump interfering with the DOJ/FBI.
     
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  24. soccernutter

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    Only in the Right Wing echo chamber.

    FFS, there are a hell of a lot of legal people who are hugely critical of the DOJ and their handling of the Trump indictments.

    But, it is interesting how, in a courtroom when presented with facts, Trump has been found guilty/liable 3 separate times (okay, so on was Trump Org.). In addition to that, him and the people around him have been found liable (plead guilty) in 3 separate states (at least), and are indicted in 5 separate states plus DC (at least), with others pending.

    Beyond that, Roger Parloff, whom I assume you listen to, or at least know enough to follow the updates I give in the Trump trial thread, is very cautious about his editorializing and gives the benefit of the doubt beyond most others. When commenting on the current Trump trial in New York, he said that the people whom Trump surrounded himself with are "lying filth."
     
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  25. superdave

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    If you think that was a religious war, please justify that.
     
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