Correction, American armed forces have signed a cease fire with an Iranian opposition group, the People's Mujahadeen.
Re: Re: America negotiates with terrorists Good of you to clarify. American armed forces are negotiating with terrorists. Stopping the shooting is a positive development. Iran coulda invaded eastern Iraq to root out these terrorists under the Gin Rummy doctrine
I really don't see what the hell the big deal is. This just in.... the whole entire Palestinian government is a bunch of terrorists technically. (sarcasm but it probably isn't far from the truth). We didn't negotiate with these terrorists. We allowed these terrorists to keep their arms in exchange for the promise that they would not use them against us. I guess we would normally disarm them as they might destablize the "peace" in Iraq. I guess we would kill them if they chose not to disarm. Seeing that we can't really pick out (as well as these guys) who is the good guys and who is the bad guys, we let them do it. So we say they can keep their guns and artillery as long as they kill the Iranians infiltrating their country. When the Iranians are all dead, we will talk again. This really is much adu about nothing.
I would like to note that the US was found guilty of acts that would be called terrorism against I believe nicaragua in the 80's by the World Court. Acts that this and the actions of people like kisssinger and the soviet sec under carter where terrorist acts but because we were doing it for "nat. security" it was a-ok. a few Past terrorist acts and ties: killing popularly elected pres of chile and installing pinoche Latin Am. death squads (following nazi techniques) Noreaga Recruting, funding and training the worst the islamic world had to offer to battle the soviets in Afganistan. Aid both Saddam and Iran in Iran-Iraq war of the 1980's support to Indonesia which had one of the worst human rights records in the 80's and 90's ditto turkey. supporting several oppressive regimes in the world ex. SA continued unquestioned support of Isreali w/o regard to their polieces.
A ManU fan AND anti-Israel. Tell us you protested to free Mumia and you've hit the trifecta young man!
iman - since you seem to support the palestinian cause, what do you make of the timing of the HOMICIDE bombing in Tel Aviv today? The Palestinian authority selected a new leader critical of the Palestinian terrorist groups operating in Gaza & the West Bank (funny how we never heard criticism from Arafat all these yrs) and hours later a bomb goes off. This new guy might not last long if the terrorists have their way.
I do support the palestinian cause, but I am no Arafat apologist. He was a terrorist then and he is no better now. His recent moves to halt the peace process are detestable. But what has cause Pal. to turn to Arafat for leadership in the first place? When you live in that kind of oppression of course most of the people will support a populist leader who stirs support by playing on the people's fears and hatred. When people get trampled it is to be expected. On the issue of the bombing I think at this point niether side can say they have control over their fringe elements. Just recently a Jewish terroist group linking themselves to dead Isreali children set off a bomb in a pal. school is evidence of this copitulation. And when you look at any situation where only side has tanks, fighter jets and attack helicopters and the other side has rocks, what form of reacation do you think those people will take? the Isr-Pal conflict is a complex situation and niether side can claim a monopoly on morality here. Until both sides are willing to make some real concessions and stop all the machco posturing all I see is more bloodshed on both sides
How much of this really happened? I'm sure if this stuff were true - particularly the "information" about Nicaragua and Chile - someone would have mentioned it before now. Are you actually suggesting that we supported Saddam at one time? And we removed Noriega, didn't we? Enough crazy talk. Enough with your conspiracy theories.
nicaragua: http://www.gwu.edu/~jaysmith/Nicaragua.html noreaga: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/soa/panama.htm us history with Iran and iraq: http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/ShalomIranIraq.html
I really don't think i can handle this. A Micheal Mooreite is the last thing i need right now. This post is staight out of fattys mouth. Apparently this guy has the answer to all of our problems, because every policy decision we have made over the years is wrong, and inherently evil.
Your slant is really just wrong here. Trampled on? Do you mean to say that because the Israeli army is advanced, then this allows for homicide bombings? No one side is innocent, but the Israelis can easily take the moral majority here. Israel has been trying for 10 years now to make peace with "palestine," and yet the bombings keep coming. Whenever cease fires are reached, like the one last year, a palestinian bomber breaks it. The bombing of buses is absolutely sick. Killing a bus load of teenagers who were on their way to school is the kind of thing that every Israeli has to deal with. You also make it seem like Israel invaded the West Bank in order to step on the Palestinian people. I guess you forgot the only reason Israel is there is because Jordan decided to invade Israel for the second time. You had better realize that Palestine wants no peace with Israel. All Palestine wants is the destruction of Israel. This is quite clear when one looks at the offers made by Israel over the last decade. They are willing to set up a Palestinian state, and they are willing to not only stop creating settlements, but they also will remove some. They offer Palestine exactly what they "wanted," and Arafat rejects it so they may go on with the intifada.
First off you might want to read the topic of the thread. Someone questioned why the US would negotiate with terrorist groups and I just wanted to bring up that negotiating with terrorists is standard US foreign policy. I would also like to point out that all I have said have been acknowledged facts. By bringing up this issues I wanted to bring to light the fact that the US hasn't been too choosey when picking allies, demonstrated by the fact that most of the people we are fighting today worked with us twenty years ago (Bin Ladan, Saddam). Unless we make this connection, we will be facing the same problems with the warlords in Afghanistan and the new Iraq. To ignore that Israeli has equal responsibility in the fighting is foolish. Who do you think this suicide bombing benefit the most? It’s the Israeli government of course because they can push through their war agenda. It is parties on both sides that want continual escalation in this conflict and if you can't see that you must be blinded by your ideology. On the point of me being a "Mooreite," I just would like to say not everyone who is questioning what our government does is doing so because they read a book or watched a movie. Also it is hard for anyone to be a “Mooreite” as you put it unless I were to go and picket GM or something but you go ahead and call that if it will help you dismiss what I have said. To link me with some neo-hippie filmmaker would be like me labeling you one of those crazy end-of-days fundamental Christians because you both support the Israeli cause. "You had better realize that Palestine wants no peace with Israel. All Palestine wants is the destruction of Israel. This is quite clear when one looks at the offers made by Israel over the last decade. They are willing to set up a Palestinian state, and they are willing to not only stop creating settlements, but they also will remove some. They offer Palestine exactly what they "wanted," and Arafat rejects it so they may go on with the intifada." The Isreali offers look generous when see that the Palestine have nothing. The last "moderate" proposal from Barak called for the removal of less than 10% of the settlements. And if you see the trend of the 10 years that you sppeak off, you will see that the offers have become worse not better. Also as I have said earlier, Arafat can't be trusted. "All Palestine wants is the destruction of Israel" That's like saying all Islam wants is the destruction of AMerica. "Trampled on? Do you mean to say that because the Israeli army is advanced, then this allows for homicide bombings?" No I mean the fact that Pal.'s even Isr-Pal's have about the same rights as South African blacks during apartheid. Ex. when construction began on an Isreali highway system, 93% of the land federalized for the construction of the road was taken from non-Israeli (I.e. Pal.) land most of which was farm land. Add to that the fact that although Pal. make up about a third of Israels pop., they own about 6% of the land. P.S. when you make claims like all Palestine wants is the the destruction of Isreali and when you praise those generous israeli offers, could you back any of that up with facts or do you perfer to make broad un founded blanket statements with no facts behind them?
Whats to prove? A suicide bombing every other day makes it clear. Peace is not desired, if it was, the Israeli deal would have been accepted, or changed. Arafat denied it outright;he has chosen the path of a nation.
There is no way this is true. Surely, I would have heard of this by now. What is GWU.edu? Some sort of leftists group?
How is the point you are making about Pal any different thatn the point many make about the US being a imperial nation. By focusing only on the bad that one side does and ignoring the root of the problem, you make your world easier to catagorize as good and bad. You highlight the incidents of Palestinian aggression without responding to the fact that Israeli policey must take SOME responsibility for it. All you see is bombings being highlighted on the news yet know nothing of the actions of thousands of pal and Jews who want to end the fighting and live peacefully. All you see on tv is the plight of poor Israel and the constant linking of arab and terrorists. Read some of Isreal's own newspapers and you will see that this isn't simply a matter of one group hating another. As I stated earlier, parties on both sides benefit politically and economically because of this conflict and it is because of that fact that the will of jews and pal. to live a peaceful life is ignored.
George Washing University one of our nations leading polical universities and producer of senators and congressmen. I hate to break it to you but it is indeed true.