Amendments to LOTG 2012/2013

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Scrabbleship, Jun 14, 2012.

  1. Scrabbleship

    Scrabbleship Member

    May 24, 2012
    Just got this sent to me from the higher-up's, and I didn't see any mention of it on here.

    http://www.ontariosoccer.net/Portals/11/referee/Amendments to Laws of the Game - 2012-13.pdf

    The main points for those who can't be bothered to view:
    Law 4 -- A pesky and minor thing, not unlike the colour of undershorts:
    If using tape on the outside of your socks, it must be the same colour as your socks.

    Law 8 -- Probably the biggest change of all, and a sensible one:
    On a dropped ball restart: ball directly into opponent's goal = goal kick, ball directly into team's own goal = corner kick.

    Law 12 -- Change of wording for when deciding whether to YC a player for deliberate handball:
    "Deliberately and blatantly handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession."
     
  2. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    What? So basically all handling now requires a caution?

    Hmmm... maybe that does make sense. It would surely tend to bring home how much less often handling should be called than is currently the case at many levels.
     
  3. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Ok but it's still to prevent an opponent from gaining possession...I would add to that in the midfeild of final 3rd, stopping an attack etc.

    Just a pet peeve of mine but some players and coaches think that a deliberate handling foul is a yellow card.
     
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  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    Won't they be right now? How often (other than DOGSO) is truly deliberate handling for something other than to prevent an opponent gaining possession? ("C'mon ref, I only did that so I could right foot it instead of left foot!" "Oh, OK, carry on then.")
     
  6. Scrabbleship

    Scrabbleship Member

    May 24, 2012
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, understand completely... not a complaint from me. Just letting you know you can jump onto that thread if you want. The changes are being implemented now, so there's no problem discussing it again. Thought it would be worth seeing what's already been said, though.
     
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  8. OMGFigo

    OMGFigo Member

    Jun 19, 2006
    SoCal
    I wonder when CalSouth was going to get this to us.
     
  9. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I don't think it's been officially published, has it? The changes aren't in effect yet as I understand it.
     
  10. briansnat

    briansnat Member

    Jun 18, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Since handling should only be called when it is deliberate in the first place, that certainly does sound like all handling would require a caution.
     
  11. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    It only does if you completely ignore the last part of the sentence. I wouldn't card unless there's a pass intended for a player and an opposing player deliberately stops that pass by handling.

    If anything this becomes a very easy call to make. See a handling blow the whistle, see that the ball was intended for a teammate give the card. Simple stuff.
     
  12. DudsBro

    DudsBro Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    IIRC, changes go into effect on July 1 of each year. Competitions that occur run over this date have the choice of converting immediately, or waiting until the end of the competition.
     
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  13. MrRC

    MrRC Member

    Jun 17, 2009
    What if it is not a pass or doesn't involve a teammate, but a ball played by a player in an attempt to get around an opponent and regain possession himself?
     
  14. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Good one...I think that's a good argument for it being tactical. It was called tactical before when you handled it to stop an attack, if this is to stop an attack, I say card him.
     
  15. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    At a minimum, won't this change result in most handling calls now requiring a caution?
     
  16. RichM

    RichM Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Nov 18, 2009
    Meridian, ID
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably, except in La Liga where this seems to have been in effect already..
     
  17. o5iiawah

    o5iiawah Member

    Oct 31, 2008
    Regarding the dropped ball, is this the windy day scenario where the referee drops the ball and it finds a goal somehow?

    Or does this address a player trying to exhibit fair-play on a dropped ball who accidentally scores on himself or an opponent?
     
  18. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009

    A DB that goes out of play untouched was always a re-do. This was an effort to address the fair play DB situation. (Well intentioned, but ultimately more problematic than helpful IMHO.)
     
  19. ciaburrj

    ciaburrj New Member

    Sep 21, 2011
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Its interesting to see that the reasoning behind the handling amendment refers to it as a hand ball. I thought that was something they were trying to be careful to differentiate between. It seems to lean towards the whole everything that touches the hand is handling.
     
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  20. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    Under the new wording, what's an example of deliberate handling that would not require a caution?

    Maradona's Hand of God falls under the second bullet ("attempts to score a goal by deliberately handling the ball"), but does Henry's? He wasn't trying to keep an opponent from gaining possession, he was trying to keep the ball from going out of touch over the goal line. Indirectly, he was trying to score a goal, of course, but aren't all players always trying to score a goal, at least indirectly? And for that matter, aren't all players always trying to keep an opponent from gaining possession?

    Hmmm... how about an attempted DOGSO-H where the defender thought the ball was headed for the net, but in fact it would have missed and gone out? No caution required there.
     
  21. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am going to be perfectly honest I believe we are overthinking the handling amendment. All it said in the write up is that they removed the word blatantly because it was confusing and not needed. As they stated often times handling offenses are very discrete and not blatant. Does that mean no caution? Of course not Most handling offenses are not worthy of a caution. The ones that keep an opponent from gaining possession and are card worthy are going to be subjective but often will be an easy call.

    Food for thought, the actual call has not changed and neither is the way it should be applied. They simply made the wording less sticky. My thoughts.
     
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  22. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I was going to write something similar but was feeling lazy and didn't want to look up the stuff from the time of the IFAB mtg. It means you're not limited to carding the two-hand catch under this provision, but can also card the subtle I-was-hoping-you-wouldn't-see-that handlnig as well.
     
  23. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    But this is not an interpretation regarding when a caution may be appropriate; it's about when a caution is required. In a nutshell, it says that the only time you can whistle handling and not issue a caution is when you judge that the offender was attempting neither to score a goal nor to keep an opponent from gaining possession.
     
  24. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok... I guess that is one way to read it. Either way I almost believe 80% of the handling calls we make are still going to fall in the 'no caution' category. As I said, nothing changed, if you wouldn't have cautioned for it before you wouldn't now.
     
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  25. biffnix

    biffnix New Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Bishop, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does this not then require the referee to divine "intention?" My understanding is that in the great rewrite that the references to intention were removed for this very reason (so that referees would not be expected to somehow read minds or predict the future).

    Thoughts?
     

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