Alternative World Rankings Thread

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by vancity eagle, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    ELO ranks Belgium 10th, Italy 14th, and Mexico 25th. About right and close enough to how I would rank them. (Iran is ranked similarly as FIFA at 21 by ELO).
     
  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe I'm reading too much into their Asian Cup run, but why the skepticism on Iran? I'll hear arguments for Denmark, Austria and Türkiye being better, but I'd bet on Iran against any of the rest of the 10 sides below them.
     
  3. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I am not terribly optimistic about the future partly because Iran's younger talents have so far failed to impress much while the team on the whole will have to begin the process of transitioning many of its older veteran players. But as of here and now, your evaluation and impression sounds correct. Iran is basically a top 30 team, and based on its overall results, around how it is ranked by FIFA/ELO.
     
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  4. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    #554 vancity eagle, Jul 19, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2024
    Well 3 of those remaining 7 teams I also consider overrated according to my rankings (Sweden, Wales, Poland) So yeah they'd be in around the same company as Iran IMO.

    I dont think Iran would be favored against Ecuador either, although that game could go either way. I also don't know if I'd favor Iran over Asian competitors South Korea or Australia, but again any result is fairly likely.

    Iran IMO had one really good game in the Asian Cup (victory over Japan)

    The rest was mediocre.

    Drawing against Syria, losing to Qatar, and barely beating Hong Kong.

    Those 3 teams are very poor.
     
  5. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    Yeah I don't really agree with this after Japan's Asian Cup.

    Their world cup results are keeping them very high.

    While other teams who had good world cups are having those results replaced at a faster rate than Japan's.

    In my formula your results don't get replaced until you lose or draw matches.

    Other teams in more competitive confederations are more prone to losing and drawing matches.
     
  6. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Iran's record at the Asian Cup is more accurately described as follows: Iran won its group with maximum 9 points defeating Palestine 4:1, Hong Kong 1:0, and the UAE 2:1. It then eliminated Syria on penalties (after a 1:1 draw a.et), defeated Japan 2:1 in the quarterfinal but lost to hosts and eventual champions Qatar 3:2 in the semifinal.
     
  7. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Seems like they had a decent tournament to me.
     
  8. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    The loss to Qatar (the only loss Iran has suffered in 21+ games since the World Cup) was clearly disappointing but Iran did alright overall. In fact, if anything, Iran's results and performances since WC22 have surpassed my guarded expectations. But the trajectory of things might not be as bright for Iran looking ahead. In fact, despite getting the WCQ group that on paper is arguably the most straight forward one for Iran, I know the slightest complacency (or any of the kind of extraneous pressures and largely self-made controversies that constantly lurk just underneath the surface of Iranian football), can easily see Iran stumble. The gap between Iran and these teams is not as great as the historic h2h results and rankings would suggest. To beat most of them, Iran will have to play at its best. That is very obvious to me.
     
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  9. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    Updated ranking after last September window

    World Soccer Rankings September 2024

    1. Spain - 87
    2. Argentina – 86
    3. Colombia – 81
    4. Japan - 74
    5. France – 73
    6. Portugal - 72
    7. Netherlands - 72
    8. Germany - 71
    9. England – 70
    10. Uruguay - 66
    11. Brazil – 65
    12. Morocco - 63
    13. Croatia - 62
    14. Austria – 61
    15. Senegal - 58
    16. Belgium – 57
    17. Switzerland - 55
    18. Italy - 55
    19. Ecuador - 54
    20. Denmark - 52
    21. Australia – 52
    22. USA - 51
    23. Turkey - 51
    24. Slovenia – 50
    25. Venezuela - 50
    26. Hungary – 49
    27. Ivory Coast – 47
    28. Tunisia - 47
    29. Iran – 47
    30. Norway - 47
    31. Mali – 47
    32. Serbia – 46
    33. Ukraine - 46
    34. Canada – 45
    35. Mexico – 45
    36. Nigeria - 44
    37. Cameroon – 44
    38. Poland - 44
    39. Georgia – 44
    40. Greece – 44
    41. South Africa - 44
    42. Algeria – 43
    43. South Korea - 43
    44. Peru - 42
    45. Panama - 42
    46. Czechia – 41
    47. Slovakia - 41
    48. Cape Verde – 41
    49. Sweden – 40
    50. Egypt - 40
    51. Wales - 40
    52. R. Congo - 40
    53. Ireland R – 39
    54. Russia - 39
    55. Scotland - 38
    56. Angola – 38
    57. Romania - 36
    58. Paraguay – 36
    59. Saudi Arabia - 36
    60. Chile - 36
    61. Albania – 36
    62. Ghana – 35
    63. Jordan - 35
    64. E. Guinea – 35
    65. Guinea - 33
    66. Bolivia – 33
    67. Finland – 33
    68. Qatar - 32
    69. Costa Rica – 32
    70. Jamaica – 32
    71. Uzbekistan - 32
    72. Burkina Faso – 31
    73. Zambia - 30
    74. Bulgaria – 30
    75. Mauritania – 29
    76. Namibia - 29
    77. Gabon – 28
    78. Macedonia – 28
    79. N. Ireland - 28
    80. Montenegro - 28
    81. Comoros – 28
    82. Kenya – 28
    83. Kosovo - 27
    84. Iraq - 27
    85. Iceland - 27
    86. Benin – 27
    87. Bosnia & H – 27
    88. Togo - 27
    89. Kazakhstan - 26
    90. Israel – 25
    91. Mozambique – 25
    92. Tanzania - 25
    93. Rwanda - 24
    94. Luxembourg – 24
    95. New Zealand – 23
    96. UAE - 23
    97. Honduras - 23
    98. Gambia - 23
    99. Armenia – 23
    100. Azerbaijan – 23
     
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  10. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    The Rest

    101.Sierra Leone - 23
    102. Bahrain – 22
    103. Guinea Bissau – 22
    104. Madagascar - 22
    105. Central Africa R – 22
    106. Zimbabwe - 21
    107. Uganda - 21
    108. Lesotho - 21
    109. Guatemala – 20
    110. Libya - 20
    111. Ethiopia – 20
    112. Malawi – 20
    113. Sudan - 19
    114. El Salvador – 19
    115. Haiti - 19
    116. Burundi – 19
    117. Oman - 18
    118. Moldova - 18
    119. Syria - 17
    120. Congo – 17
    121. Niger - 17
    122. Liberia - 17
    123. Belarus – 17
    124. Botswana - 17
    125. Latvia -17
    126. Trinidad & T - 16
    127. N. Korea – 16
    128. Tajikistan - 16
    129. Eswatini - 16
    130. Lithuania - 16
    131. Estonia – 16
    132. Indonesia - 15
    133. Cyprus - 15
    134. Chad – 15
    135. Faroe Islands – 15
    136. Lebanon - 14
    137. China – 14
    138. South Sudan - 14
    139. Malta - 14
    140. Curacao – 14
    141. Kuwait – 13
    142. Palestine – 13
    143. Thailand - 13
    144. Eritrea – 13
    145. Kyrzgystan – 12
    146. Vietnam - 12
    147. Malaysia – 12
    148. Turkmenistan - 11
    149. Suriname - 10
    150. Nicaragua - 10
    151. Andorra – 10
    152. India – 10
    153. Somalia - 10
    154. Cuba – 9
    155. Hong Kong - 9
    156. Bermuda – 8
    157. Guyana – 7
    158. Sao Tome - 6
    159. Mauritius - 6
    160. Leicheinstein – 6
    161. Phillipines – 6
    162. Djibouti – 6
    163. Yemen - 6
    164. Singapore - 6
    165. Afghanistan – 6
    166. Dominican R – 5
    167. Puerto Rico - 5
    168. Grenada – 5
    169. Montserrat - 5
    170. Gibraltar – 5
    171. Seychelles – 4
    172. Tahiti - 4
     
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  11. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    Check out my Top 150 Ranking down below via the Twitter posts or visit Kassiesa.net (link down below) if Tweets are not visible for you.
    Thanks

    https://kassiesa.net/uefa/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=606031#p606031









     
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  12. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania








     
  13. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    I will soon break down the major differences between your and my ranking

    Stay tuned
     
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  14. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania


     
  15. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    In my TOP 30

    18x UEFA (60%)
    5x CONMEBOL (17%)
    3x CAF (10%)
    3x AFC (10%)
    1x CONCACAF (3%)

    vancity eagle

    16x UEFA (53%)
    6x CONMEBOL (20%)
    4x CAF (13%)
    3x AFC (10%)
    1x CONCACAF (1%)
     
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  16. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    In my TOP 50

    29x UEFA (58%)
    7x CAF (14%)
    6x CONMEBOL (12%)
    5x AFC (10%)
    3x CONCACAF (6%)

    vancity eagle

    24x UEFA (48%)
    11x CAF (22%)
    7x CONMEBOL (14%)
    4x AFC (8%)
    4x CONCACAF (8%)
     
  17. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    In my TOP 70

    33x UEFA (47%)
    14x CAF (20%)
    9x CONMEBOL (13%)
    8x AFC (11%)
    6x CONCACAF (9%)

    vancity eagle

    31x UEFA (44%)
    16x CAF (23%)
    10x CONMEBOL (14%)
    6x AFC (9%)
    6x CONCACAF (9%)
     
  18. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    In my TOP 100

    42x UEFA (42%)
    27x CAF (27%)
    12x AFC (12%)
    10x CONMEBOL (10%)
    8x CONCACAF (8%)
    1x OFC (1%)

    vancity eagle

    43x UEFA (43%)
    29x CAF (29%)
    10x CONMEBOL (10%)
    9x AFC (9%)
    7x CONCACAF (7%)
    1x OFC (1%)
     
  19. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    Looking at the slots per confederation there's an interesting picture. For the top 70 and top 100 there's no very significant differences. Yeah, to my surprise vancity eagle actually doesn't inflate CAF teams' ranking overly much in his top 70 and in his top 100.

    The major talking points are the differences in the top 30 and top 50.

    UEFA are much more representated in my top 30 (7% difference to vancity eagle) and especially top 50 (a whopping 10% difference to vancity eagle).

    The only section where vancity eagle's ranking is guilty of overrating CAF is in the top 50. While he has 11 CAF teams in that section it's only 7 for me.
     
  20. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    Overrated by vancity eagle

    Mauritania - 40 places
    Mali - 37 places
    Cape Verde - 33 places
    Ethiopia - 33 places
    Lesotho - 32 places
    Equatorial Guinea - 30 places
    El Salvador - 29 places
    Tunisia - 29 places
    Venezuela - 26 places
    Australia - 25 places
    Sierra Leone - 24 places
    Rwanda - 23 places
    Malawi - 22 places
    Togo - 21 places
    Botswana - 21 places
    Republic of Ireland - 20 places
    Peru - 20 places
    Namibia - 19 places
    Cameroon - 19 places
    Eswatini - 18 places
    Bulgaria - 18 places
    Liberia - 16 places
    Chad - 15 places
    Kenya - 15 places
    Zimbabwe - 14 places
    Congo - 13 places
    Panama - 13 places
    South Africa - 13 places
    Kazakhstan - 13 places
    Northern Ireland - 12 places
    Jordan - 12 places
    Tanzania - 11 places
    Guinea - 11 places
    Japan - 11 places
    Zambia - 10 places
    Algeria - 10 places
     
  21. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    Underrated by vancity eagle

    North Korea - 40 places
    Indonesia - 32 places
    Suriname - 32 places
    Thailand - 31 places
    Palestine - 31 places
    Armenia - 29 places
    Iceland - 26 places
    Slovakia - 25 places
    New Zealand - 24 places
    Paraguay - 24 places
    Iraq - 22 places
    Russia - 22 places
    Sudan - 20 places
    Albania - 20 places
    Dominican Republic - 20 places
    Kyrgyzstan - 19 places
    Egypt - 19 places
    UAE - 19 places
    Gambia - 19 places
    Malaysia - 18 places
    South Korea - 17 places
    Uzbekistan - 16 places
    DR Congo - 15 places
    Ghana - 15 places
    China - 15 places
    Syria - 15 places
    North Macedonia - 13 places
    Nicaragua - 13 places
    Azerbaijan - 12 places
    Honduras - 12 places
    Cyprus - 12 places
    Saudi Arabia - 11 places
    Czechia - 10 places
    Tajikistan - 10 places
    Oman - 10 places
    Haiti - 10 places
    Guatemala - 10 places
     
  22. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    #572 Kamtedrejt, Oct 6, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2024
    In an ideal world it would be extraordinarily exciting if someone could call Mauritania, Mali, North Korea and Indonesia and their FAs and organise some four nations tournament.

    The by vancity eagle two most overrated sides vs the by him two most underrated sides. If we go off his ranking the African sides would be supposed to smash both Asian sides. The reality though I'm pretty sure would be very different.

    Among these sides I rate still Mali overall the strongest. But North Korea and Indonesia would give them a run for their money. Mauritania would probably finish last in that tourney. Their little AFCON 'run' is extremely overrated. They are not a good side. Prove of that has been the World Cup qualifiers were they've been doing poorly.
     
  23. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    Our top 30's aren't all that different. I just have 1 extra CAF and Conmebol team than you. 2 less Uefa, and same AFC and Concacaf.

    It's very minor differences.

    The biggest difference appears to be how we see the top 50.

    I have 5 less UEFA teams and 4 more CAF teams.

    Tunisia, Cameroon, Mali, and South Africa are the teams you don't rate in the top 50.

    I think you are wrong here. You've continued your disregard for Cameroon from before the last WC when you were embarrassed as they defeated Brazil and drew against your dark horse pick Serbia.

    Cameroon is definately better than you have them, as are Mali who embarrassed Saudi Arabia (who you rate above them) by beating them 4-1 in a friendly played in Portugal where they were missing half of their squad and still missed many chances.

    Algeria will also beat quite a few teams you've rated above them.

    South Africa might be the only team I'd question their top 50 status. Their record is very on and off.
     
  24. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    Statistical breakdown

    Average rating of top 10 ranked teams by me per confederation

    UEFA ~ 85.40
    CONMEBOL ~ 79.55
    CAF ~ 77.90
    AFC ~ 75.95
    CONCACAF ~ 73.05

    I think these figures show pretty much the current pecking order of international football currently
     
  25. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    Like I stated earlier Mali already trounced Saudi Arabia 4-1 (missing half their squad) not even a year ago. It could have been much uglier if Mali could finish better.

    Saudi Arabia is substantially better than both North Korea and Inonesia.
     

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