I'm sure somebody must have posted this before but i can't see it so I'll start my own. If you could pick a team from history who would it be? I'll kick off Yashin Maldini Cafu Baresi Desailly Puskas Cruyff Keane Maradona Pele Van Basten I know that some players there (Cafu, Desailly, Keane) will be controversial, but when they're gone we'll realise how good they were.
Here's mine -------------------Yashin -------Moore----Beckenbauer-----Maldini Garrincha----Di Stefano----Mathaus----Cruyff ------------------Maradona ------------Muller---------Pele
Zamora Carlos Alberto, Beckenbauer, Baresi, Maldini Gento, Kocsis, Suarez, Kubala di Stefano, Maradona
man this is tough ....................zoff ...........moore.......beckenbauer riijkard..................................maldini ...................matthaus puskas...........jairzinho...........cruyff .............eusebio....pele
wow, not too knock others opinions (as i proceed to do so) but cafu? come on anyways, it a toughie, and being but a young lad of 20 i don't have the memories of some of you elderly folk round here but regardless here goes: ah fooey i just wanna copy sukhwa's list ahem, -------------------yashin ----------------beckenbauer -------moore------------------maldini (not cesare) ------------------matthaus ------------------di stefano ---------------cruyff-----maradona -----muller---------pele--------eusebio thats a fluid 3-2-5 in action right there, all though for fairness' sake i've only truly seen maldini, matthaus, and maradona play, none save maybe paulo at their peak
Like I have any credibility to do this. Zoff Maldini, Beckenbauer, Moore, Desailly Cruyff, Matthaus, Zindane, Maradona Pele, Eusebio I know the Desailly pick is biased, but so is putting Pele on here just because he's the best player ever. C'mon!
I've based mine on the greatest players I've actually seen play, live and in the flesh. Schmeichel Maldini Hansen Filson Barnes Zidane Beardsley Beckham Ronaldo Rush Lineker
Offensive Dream XI of Players I've seen: Barthez Matthaus Ferdinand Hierro Carlos Beckham Figo Ronaldinho Zidane Romario Ronaldo
I'm slightly surprised that somebody has been able to leave out Pele. As for cafu he's the first player to play in 3 world cup finals winning two. He's a solid defender and great going forward and really deserves his inclusion. Also people going for Beckenbauer and Moore over Baresi is a bit surprising to me.
Then you have never seen either Moore or Beckenbauer play. Baresi was a fabulous player and a legend of the Italian game, but in a world history XI ahead of Moore and Beckenbauer? Never. Not ever.
From those I have seen (I do think this is by far the more useful approach ... ) Zoff Cafu Forster Hansen Maldini Littbarski Zidane Souness Magath Dalglish Rush
I made this exact thread a few months ago. Unfortunately it got wiped out when big soccer crashed it's database. I always wonder when people put an entire midfield full of creators and give the team no chance by not having a single ball winner anywhere except the backline - those teams would get battered about badly you NEEd at least one ball winner in midfield! 4-4-2 ------------------Yashin ----Djama-----Beckenbaur--Baresi----Maldini ------------------Matthaus --Garrincha-------------------Cruyff ------------------Maradona ------------------------Pele --------------Ronaldo Subs: 12. Banks 13. Cafu 14. Passarella 15. Thuram 16. R Carlos 17. Davids 18. Zidane 19. Rivelino 20. Puskas 21. Muller 22. Van Basten The number 9 i reckon should be able to do what Pele can't which isn;t much but he wasn't an EXTREME dribbler and apart from that there's nothing he couldn't do equally well as any number 9 i can think of except dribble like Ronaldo so Ronaldo gets my vote in a 4-4-2 ahead of Muller Van Basten and Eusabio. I think Zidane is worth his spot he's consistently come good at any major tournament. Thruam over Moore and Desailly because he can do everything they can do and is faster and higher in stamina then both. 3-5-2 -------------------Yashin -----------------Beckenbaur -----------Moore--------Passarella ------------------Davids -------Garrincha-------------Rivelino -------------Cruyff----Maradona -----------------------Pele --------------Van Basten the backline covered by Davids who is faster and has higher stamina then Matthaus. 3 studious INTELLIGENT defenders at the back with immaculate defensive timing would be very hard to break that backline up with terror Davids running back to bite some ankles. With 4 dribbling and passing power houses in midfield it would just be left for the strikers to put the ball in the back of the net. No need for Ronaldo there. And only Romario is as Clinical as Van Basten but i didn't pick him because he is to short. (heading the ball isn't gonna happen.) 3-4-1-2 ------------------Yashin ------------------Baresi --------Beckenbaur-----Moore ------------Davids-----Matthaus ------Cruyff---------------Rivelino -----------------Maradona -------------Pele --------------------Ronaldo A team based on units. Each department having different jobs and all can drift and drop off as they see fit.
Well I have never seen them play in the flesh no, but i've seen the tapes and Baresi was the best centre back of all time. Why do you need players to bring the ball out of defence when you could just pass the ball to Puskas or Maradona. Beckenbauer and Moore may have played prettier football but they were not nearly as effective players (especially Moore). I agree that you have to have a defensive midfielder and for me the choice is between keane, souness and mattheus.
Erm … sorry, I find that post a bit confusing. For a start, whilst we are assembling the ultimate team per se, we are also judging players in accordance with their abilities and the pre-eminence they enjoy in their position, in the history of the game. And therefore Baresi does not come ahead of Moore or Beckenbauer. Or a number of other players, to be quite honest. And besides, Baresi was very good on the ball ... And Matthaus was not a defensive midfielder. Neither was Keane until this season and Souness was never a holding player either. Jimmy Case used to do more of that.
Here is a prime example why Dream XI's never will work on the field. People want to put all the most decorated names into one team at any cost, but that won't make the optimal strength. Beckenbauer, Moore and Passarella in one backline is like having three busdrivers in one bus. No left/right backs. The work on the flanks is left to Garrincha and Rivelino who probably never tackled a player during their whole careers. Cruyff and Maradona would run in eachothers ways and both lose worth. Apart from Davids there is not a single player in midfield/attack with defensive qualities. This looks like a very unbalanced team who would be beaten comprehensively by many teams despite the big names.
uh? How do you figure that? i mean for a start your reasoning on the backline doesn't make sense Beckenbaur Could play anywhere in a back line Sweeper, Centre Back, Wing back whatever you wish the dudes intelligence was off the scale and he read the game immaculately. Moore was a centre back come sweeper so how do you figure he coul;dn't command the right side of the defence? and same goes for Passarella. lol don't you think your underestimating the intelligence of these LEGENDS? i'm a bit confused by your bus analogy please enlighten me. And as for the midfield the wingers! wouldn't be concentrating on defence at all and if they did they'd be pushing people into corners for someone else to clean up. Many teams play with out and out wingers in a 3-5-2 it doesn't have to be WIngbacks every time ¬_¬ Cruyff and Maradona are Totally different players Cruyff just drifted all over the pitch whenever he wanted to. Maradona always stayed in the hole or dropped further into central midfield going out wide was his last intention so how do you figure they would get ine ach others way? lol these are legendary players not lemmings! c'mon give them some credit in the intelligence department lol. As for Davids... he has the stamina of 2 men and he commands the back of any midfield like a beast i can't see how you can underestimate the skills of such legends working in unison !?!?! Dark Savante Confused lol.
All time XI Dominquez, Marquitos, Pachin, Vidal, Santamaria, Zarraga, Canario, Del Sol, Di Stefano, Puskas, Gento. Alternatively Grosics, Buzánszky, Lantos, Bozsik, Lóránt, Zakarias, Budai, Kocsis, Hidgekuti, Puskás, Czibor.
Keane wasn't a defensive midfielder? Yeah and dino Zoff played up front. As for souness and mattheus, they might not have been conventional defensive midfielders, but both could scrap and win the ball back. I know that Baresi could play the ball, i've seen him enough times, but in my opinion he was a better player (and especially defender) than either beckenbauer or moore. You say many others would come before him as well, like who for example? you talk about the history of the game and I don't think many come ahead of Baresi. He's on 3 European cups and been to 5 finals, not exactly short of honours is he? lanman, is your second team Honved or hungary? Personally I prefer Rossi, Maldini, Baresi, Costacurta, Tassoti, Rijkaard, Donadoni, Gullit, Lentini, Van Basten, Papin .
di stefano albeit i have not seen him play and neither have any of you in 99/100 cases-- but.... if you don't have alfredo di stefano on your all-time team then you in all honesty lack credibility... nothing personal but do little research before you make your claims... hey, read a book, search the internet, something whatever... the point is di stefano, if not the all-time greatest player is in the top five, three, something up there... AND he belongs on your squad so... you dumb, me smart check it out-- http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Bleachers/7429/DiStefano.htm
Where would you play him central midfield or centre forward? I obviously have only seen him play on tape but I just can't leave out Van Basten, he could only get in at the expense of Puskas.
Originally posted by Dark Savante uh? How do you figure that? i mean for a start your reasoning on the backline doesn't make sense Beckenbaur Could play anywhere in a back line Sweeper, Centre Back, Wing back whatever you wish the dudes intelligence was off the scale and he read the game immaculately. Moore was a centre back come sweeper so how do you figure he coul;dn't command the right side of the defence? That's the problem: "Could". Wouldn't you rather have a player who has perfected that role instead of a player like Moore who could play there if needed? In your system you put Beckenbauer as sweeper. I would rather have a typical man-marking player (Kohler, Gentile, K-H Förster, Stam etc) in front of him than another libero-type like Moore or Passarella. and same goes for Passarella. lol don't you think your underestimating the intelligence of these LEGENDS? Not underestimating. See my answer above. i'm a bit confused by your bus analogy please enlighten me. It was to illustrate that you don't need more than one of them to fill the sweeper's role and that others would be better suited to fill the roles in front of Beckenbauer. I'm not a big fan of the sweeper position anyway. Cruyff and Maradona are Totally different players Cruyff just drifted all over the pitch whenever he wanted to. Maradona always stayed in the hole or dropped further into central midfield going out wide was his last intention so how do you figure they would get ine ach others way? Because both Maradona and Cruyff were players who took on enormous responsibility and liked to have total control of the game and command and direct everything. With both on the same team they would probably cancel eachother out and not get the best out of either of them. Wasn't there a movie quote that said: "This city isn't big enough for both of us"? Garrincha, Rivelino, Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, van Basten and Davids are the offensive line in your team. Only Davids has defensive qualities. In my opinion you should have benched either Maradona or Cruyff and made room for another player with defensive qualities for the sake of balance. Remember that a team spends roughly half the time trying to win the ball as well.