All Time Hex Table Leaders (1998-2010)

you wouldnt happen to know what honduras' won-lost-draw record is, would you?

 

Here's how the rest have faired in the Hex...

Code:

               GP 	W 	D 	L 	Pts 	GF 	GA 	GD
1 Jamaica      20 	5 	7 	8 	22 	14 	26 	-12
2 Trinidad     24 	5 	5 	14 	20 	20 	41 	-21
3 Honduras     14 	5 	3 	6 	18 	22 	23 	-1
4 El Salvador  14 	3 	6 	5 	15 	17 	22 	-5
5 Guatemala    10 	3 	2 	5 	11 	16 	18 	-2
6 Canada       10 	1 	3 	6 	10 	5 	20 	-15
7 Panama       10 	0 	2 	8 	2 	4 	21 	-17

 

can u post the complete table with all the teams?

 

Ranking based on points per game:

Code:

       		
1 USA (1.89 PPG)        
2 Costa Rica (1.8 PPG)	
3 Mexico (1.76 PPG)	
4 Honduras (1.29 PPG)
5 Guatemala (1.1 PPG)
5 Jamaica (1.1 PPG)
6 El Salvador (1.07 PPG)	
7 Trinidad (0.83 PPG)	
8 Canada (0.6 PPG)	
9 Panama (0.2 PPG)

Best win record:

Code:

       		
1 USA (54% of games won)         
1 Costa Rica (54% of games won) 	
2 Mexico (50% of games won) 	
3 Honduras (36% of games won) 
4 Guatemala (30% of games won) 
5 Jamaica (25% of games won) 
6 El Salvador (21% of games won) 	
6 Trinidad (21% of games won) 	
7 Canada (10% of games won) 	
8 Panama (0% of games won) 

Best loss record:

Code:

       		
1 USA (20% of games lost)         
2 Mexico (24% of games lost) 	
3 Costa Rica (29% of games lost) 
4 El Salvador (36% of games lost) 
5 Jamaica (40% of games lost) 	
6 Honduras (43% of games lost) 
7 Guatemala (50% of games lost) 	
8 Trinidad (58% of games lost) 	
9 Canada (60% of games lost) 	
10 Panama (80% of games lost) 

Most draws:

Code:

    
1 El Salvador (43% of games drawn)  
2 Jamaica (35% of games drawn) 
3 Canada (30% of games drawn) 			
4 USA (26% of games drawn)         
4 Mexico (26% of games drawn) 	
5 Honduras (21% of games drawn) 
5 Trinidad (21% of games drawn) 
6 Guatemala (20% of games drawn) 
6 Panama (20% of games drawn) 
7 Costa Rica (17% of games drawn) 	

Best offensive record:

Code:

    
1 Mexico	(1.9 goals per game) 
2 Guatemala (1.6 goals per game) 
2 Honduras (1.6 goals per game) 
3 USA (1.5 goals per game) 
3 Costa Rica (1.5 goals per game) 
4 El Salvador (1.2 goals per game) 
5 Trinidad (0.8 goals per game) 
6 Jamaica (0.7 goals per game) 
7 Canada (0.5 goals per game) 		
8 Panama (0.4 goals per game) 	

Best defensive record:

Code:

    
1 USA (0.8 goals per game)     
2 Mexico	(0.9 goals per game) 
3 Costa Rica (1.1 goals per game) 
4 Jamaica (1.3 goals per game) 
5 El Salvador  (1.6 goals per game)  
5 Honduras (1.6 goals per game) 
6 Guatemala (1.8 goals per game) 
6 Trinidad (1.8 goals per game) 
7 Canada	(2 goals per game) 		
8 Panama (2.1 goals per game) 	

 

Thanks to everyone for all this. Cool stuff.

 

Thanks for the heads up. Just edited it

 

So, the way this looks, Costa Rica, Mexico and the US are the only teams to have played in every single hex so far, right? Since no other team comes close to the number of games played by those three teams.

 

Yes. Here are the other three teams in each Hexagonal:

1998: Canada, El Salvador, Jamaica
2002: Honduras, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago
2006: Guatemala, Panama, Trinidad and Tobago
2010: Honduras, El Salvador, Trinidad and Tobago

 

the picture is clear, CR/US/MEX are the consistent teams and the others are not

 

Was that not evident even before this list was posted? I mean everyone and his dog knows that they are the most consistent and strongest teams in the area and have been for the past 20 years (or atleast the USA and Mexico have, Costa Rica as probably been on the same level for the past 10). Granted not everyone would admit it, but deep down everyone knows it.

 

What it means is that the three teams are most consistant...in the rounds leading up to the final. But an argument for Jamaica is that they missed the final round by one point in 2006, and by tie-breaker in 2010, so they are not that far off.

Also, I added up the teams points in the group stages since 1990, to give the most consistant, by games (i.e. not by first place, second place, ...) over six cycles, for both the semi-final and final stages. Some notes, first:

(1) the 1990 and 1994 tournaments used two-point wins. For these calculations, they were converted to three points.

(2) a one-game playoff in 2002, ending in a score of Costa Rica 5-2 Guatemala, is included.

(3) any inter-continental playoffs were not included

(4) the formats were (a) a five-team final in 1990 (Mexico not participating; disqualified) with no group play before then, (b) an eight-team SF and four-team F in 1994 (USA not participating; host), (c) twelve-team SF's and six-team F in 1998-2010.


Table, sorted by points-per-game:

Code:

No	Team		MP	W	D	L	GF	GA	Pts3	Pts/g	GF/g	GA/g	GD/g
1	Mexico		70	43	12	15	171	55	141	2.01	2.44	0.79	1.66
2	USA		67	38	18	11	111	46	132	1.97	1.66	0.69	0.97
3	Costa Rica	74	44	9	21	130	77	141	1.91	1.76	1.04	0.72
4	Honduras	50	23	10	17	104	71	79	1.58	2.08	1.42	0.66
5	Jamaica		50	18	15	17	52	53	69	1.38	1.04	1.06	-0.02
6	Trin / Tob	56	20	11	25	65	78	71	1.27	1.16	1.39	-0.23
7	El Salvador	56	19	12	25	75	81	69	1.23	1.34	1.45	-0.11
8	Guatemala	41	13	9	19	50	61	48	1.17	1.22	1.49	-0.27
9	Canada		46	13	14	19	45	67	53	1.15	0.98	1.46	-0.48
10	Bermuda		6	1	2	3	7	12	5	0.83	1.17	2.00	-0.83
11	Panama		28	3	7	18	21	59	16	0.57	0.75	2.11	-1.36
12	Haiti		6	0	3	3	4	13	3	0.50	0.67	2.17	-1.50
13	Cuba		12	2	0	10	9	34	6	0.50	0.75	2.83	-2.08
14	Barbados	6	1	0	5	3	20	3	0.50	0.50	3.33	-2.83
15	Suriname	6	0	2	4	4	19	2	0.33	0.67	3.17	-2.50
16	St. V. / Gren	24	2	0	22	13	96	6	0.25	0.54	4.00	-3.46
17	St. K. / Nev	6	0	0	6	2	24	0	0.00	0.33	4.00	-3.67

So in terms of points-per-game, Mexico, USA, and Costa Rica are the elite, Honduras are in a solid fourth-place by themselves, and Jamaica leads the next pack down to #9 Canada.

In goals-scored, Mexico and Costa Rica are tied at 141 (the June 10 games are not yet included), and Mex had done it in four less games. The States are right there at 132. And Costa Rica has one more net win (even if it is the playoff).

In goal-differential, only the four teams are positive, with Jamaica just at a -1 over 50 games.

 

You know, CONCACAF always gets bashed, and we do have a lot of tiny nations, but we really are on the verge of having about 10 solid programs.

USA/Mex/CR are already there.

Hondruas finally seem to be living up to their potential.

I think the #5 CONMEBOL team could be in for a tussle.

Beyond that, Jamaica, T&T, and El Salvador are all pretty solid. Guatemala is a tough place to play. Canada (especially getting MLS teams) is growing as a soccer nation, and Panama has also been consistent lately.

That's 10 right there. Hopefully, Cuba opening up will improve things for them. Haiti have some talent, and I'd love to see a Suriname revival.

Still, that's enough for a pretty solid Gold Cup.

It would happen faster if Warner & his cronies didn't have sticky fingers with all the money.

 

I've always thought that if Cubans were allowed to play abroad and still represent their national team, they would have an awesome team. The few Cubans who have defected in the US have all been pretty good. Maykel Galindo, who plays for Chivas USA, and Osvaldo Alonso, with the Seattle Sounders, are two players who really stand out and who would bring a lot of extra experience if they were allowed to return to the national team.

Anyway, interesting stuff, and like TrueCrew says, our Confederation has a lot of quality in it, and would probably be better if Warner and his cronies weren't running the show.

 

Sorry, the 141 and 132 numbers are total points, not goals. Was looking at the wrong column.

Plus, something that stood out, was the 24 games played for St.V+G. They actually made the semi-final round four times in the last five cycles.

 

Do you have the home/away stats, it could help us have a better idea of the probable ending of this hex. (maybe add % wins in away matches and % of loses in home matches)?

 

It has been always evident for me, but some Honduras think they are the 3rd best team in concacaf, havent you seen them around here?

 

Well I think its fair to say every country has their cocky fans. All I know is that its not unrealistic to say Honduras is fourth best. Honduras has never gotten to Costa Rica's level, but we are not horribly far off. Once again, it is super clear who the top 3 teams are.. sometimes my fellow fans need to wake up and look at the facts.

 

believe me that if your fellow H fans think like you, i wouldn't say things like that, but you seem to be a exception to the rule

 

Of course, you probably realize that an away win is a home loss....

We did some of this analysis in 2006 (2005) in "The 6 and 9 guide to WCQ" https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168607

To add in the 2006 (and 1990) stats, the home team in the final round is 66 wins, 25 losses, and 29 draws. By points, it is 227 for home teams and 104 for road teams, or 1.8917 and 0.8667 points per game.

This value got slanted way toward the home team, by a snazzy record of 20-6-4 (w-l-t) for home sides in the 2006 hex.

Code:

year	home	road	draw	Hpts	Rpts
2006	20	6	4	64	22
2002	14	10	6	48	36
1998	15	2	13	58	19
1994	8	3	1	25	10
1990	9	4	5	32	17
Total	66	25	29	227	104

So to find the value according to the baseline, take the number of points in the standard 3-1-0 system, and subtract 1.8917 for each home game (no matter the result) and substract 0.8667 for each road game. A result of zero would then be average (basically, the line between third and fourth place).

So, the scaled values are:

Code:

Team		Pts	Home	Road	Scale
Costa Rica	12	3	2	4.59
USA		10	3	2	2.59
Honduras	7	2	3	0.62
Mexico		6	2	3	-0.38
El Salvador	5	3	2	-2.41
Trin / Tob	2	2	3	-4.38
Totals		42	15	15	0.63