All the matches of Pele's Santos against European clubs

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  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    I disagree totally in 1958 ... Pelé of being Ballon D'or ..


    For me ..

    Didi Folha seca ...and Raymond Kopa ..


    were players ...more complete than the younger Pelé with 17 years old ...well of course it's normal ...

    by ages ...Of Didi and Kopa ...



    For me ...


    Ballon D'or in 1958 podium :


    1# Didi ... 2# Raymond Kopa or vice-versa ... 1 # Kopa and 2# Didi ...


    is harder to confirm ..anyone .. between ..Didi and Kopa ...




    3 # Pelé or Fontaine ..or Garrincha .. or Vavá ... or Nilton Santos ...!
     
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  2. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    #177 Kroos46, Sep 16, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2024
    09.03.1974
    Santos 3x2 R Zaragoza (ESP)
    S
    : La Romareda - Zaragoza (ESP)
    Friendly
    R
    : Bebè (ESP)
    G: Pelé (p) 44' and 81' and Clayton 61' - Iriarte 36' and Arrua 43'
    SFC: Wilson Quiqueto, Vicente, Marinho Perez, Bianque and Wilson Campos; Leo Oliveira and Ze Carlos (Brecha); Claudio Adam (Mazinho), Clayton, Pelé and Ferreira
    Coach: Tim
    RZ: Iracusta (Nieves); Rico, Overejo (Ruiz), Violeta and Royo; Bianas, Castani and Arrua; Rubial (Galdós), Irarte and Soto (Leiros).

    At the end of the match, a crowd invaded the field to carry Pelé. Defender Ovejo knocked down the crossbar when Santos scored their second goal... the stadium was packed to see Pelé for the last time in Europe.

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  3. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Yes, it would have been premature to award the Golden Ball to Pelé even though he still had a great season crowned by the World Cup, scoring a hat-trick and a brace in the semi-final and final and a very important goal against Wales.
     
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  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes ... Perfect Vision .......



    in 1959 and 1960 also : was premature ...


    ...Real Madrid 5 x 3 Santos FC Of Pelé ...


    The game
    After 10 minutes, Pelé hit a shot from outside the area and opened the scoring for the visitors. However, involved by Real's offensive movements, in 20 minutes the beach side conceded three goals from striker Enrique Mateos, who overshadowed the stars on the field by taking advantage of three precious assists from Alfredo Di Stéfano. In the second half, the Brazilians reacted with Pepe, in a violent penalty for a penalty conceded by Pelé. Managing the advantage, the home team increased it again with Ferenc Puskás, diving like a fish to test the ball inside the area. In a play by Pelé, the number 10 shot hard, the goalkeeper blocked it and the rebound went to Coutinho, just turned 16, who pushed it into the net and reduced it.

    In the 38th minute, Di Stéfano distributed his last and fourth assist of the game. He advanced through the middle and played a millimetric pass at the feet of Gento, who closed the score.

    Post-game
    After the match, Real Madrid coach Luis Carniglia praised Pelé: "Pelé showed great ease in shooting and a lot of mischief, trickery. He carries the ball very well and infiltrates dangerously. But he was very well marked.”[5] The then president of the Merengue club, Santiago Bernabéu, stopped by the Alexandra hotel to visit the Santos delegation, but, although enchanted by Pelé's football, concluded that he was still too young.[3]

    As for Marca, the match demonstrated that Alfredo Di Stéfano was the best player in the world. The newspaper described the "great work of Alfredo Di Stéfano, an entire orchestra conductor, capable of literally destroying a slow and pretentious rival."[5] The conclusion in Madrid was that Santos had four great attackers (Pepe, Pelé, Pagão and Coutinho),
     
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  5. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    The matches against the European clubs of 1974 end here. Santos' report is:

    1W 0D 2L

    GF: 4
    GS: 8
    GD: -4

    Pelè 3 goals in 3 games
     
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  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes ....

    World Cup 1958


    Didi
    6 matches
    5 Assists
    2 Goals

    Raymond Kopa
    6 matches
    3 goals
    7 Assists
    1 Pre-assist


    Pelé
    4 matches
    6 goals
    2 Assists


    Garrincha
    4 matches
    2 Assists
    2 Pre-Assists ..
     
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  7. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Great contribution, Di Stefano in those years was already an experienced and mature player, while Pelè was 20 years old, maybe not even turned yet. I can't say exactly when Pelè deserved the Golden Ball but following the logic that the best player in the world doesn't always win it, Pelè in 1958 played a Golden Ball year for sure, El Grafico (I think) drew up a ranking of the players with the highest value after the World Cup and the Brazilian was at the top. I believe however that O Rey, becomes a fully mature player from 1962, with the consecration against Benfica, it's a shame that we couldn't admire him at the World Cup.
     
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  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    Edson Arantes Pelé ;; Ballon D'or ... that i agree totally ...



    1961 ... 1# Pelé
    1962 ...... 1# Pelé ...by season 2 # Garrincha .... or vice-versa ... 1# Garrincha ... 2 # Pelé .. 1 point ahead



    1963 .... 1# Pelé
    1964 ... 1# Pelé ..

    1965 ...... 1# Eusebio 2# Pelé ;;; or vice-versa .. 1# Pelé 2#Eusebio ..1 point ahead ...


    1970 ...1# Pelé .....2 # Jairzinho ... 1 point ahead .. !
     
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  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes ... Di Stefano... Kubala .... Ferenc Puskas ... Gento ....Luis Suarez Miramontes .. ....were mature Players already for sure .. ... another perfect vision yours .. !
     
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  10. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    My work in this post is finished, I hope it was appreciated. If there were errors or oversights please report, there are many games and I may have made mistakes. On many sites I have read that Pelè's goals with the Santos jersey against European clubs are 144 in 130 games. From the work done I count 151 in 137 games.
     
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  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Great job man ! Congratulations at all by his efforts !
     
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  12. moodiomemo

    moodiomemo Member

    sao paulo fc
    Jul 15, 2007
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    100 goals in a year (1958) and in 1958 he couldnt be nominated or win the ballon dor???
    Didi in 1958???
     
  13. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil


    Usually the winner of the Ballon d'Or is the most standout player in the most relevant competition of the year. In this case, in 1958 it was the World Cup and the most standout player was Didi. 1958 was his peak and if I'm not mistaken he gave more than 30 assists in the season
     
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  14. moodiomemo

    moodiomemo Member

    sao paulo fc
    Jul 15, 2007
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    "Usually the winner of the Ballon d'Or is the most standout player in the most relevant competition of the year. In this case, in 1958 it was the World Cup and the most standout player was Didi. 1958 was his peak and if I'm not mistaken he gave more than 30 assists in the season"

    Really?? You discovered the moon pal!! :D
     
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  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    did you really saw ...All the whole matches from this World Cup .. 1958 ??


    Didi against Austria .... 2 Assists ... to Mazzolla ... right foot ... and left foot Long range Pass

    Didid against England .... 0 x 0 the scoreline ...

    Didi... against ...URSS .... 1 Assist ... to Vavá .. Pass deeper ..

    Didi .... against Wales ... 1 Assist ...to Pelé .... Heading Accuracy ...

    Didi ...... against France ,...... 1 Assist .... to Pelé .......... Crossing right Foot ..


    Didi ... against ........ FRance and Sweden


    Goals shoots from distance ( long and medium range ) .!
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ............
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ...
     
  18. moodiomemo

    moodiomemo Member

    sao paulo fc
    Jul 15, 2007
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    a very simple question
    how many times you watch pele play alive on tv or in the field?or rivellino, zico , jairzinho???
    youtube video is typical from "millenium" generation
     
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  19. moodiomemo

    moodiomemo Member

    sao paulo fc
    Jul 15, 2007
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    a very simple question
    how many times you watch pele play alive on tv or in the field?or rivellino, zico , jairzinho???
    youtube video is typical from "millenium" generation
     
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  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    I saw so many many whole matches ... Of Pelé ....


    i think so .. Pelé is the best player Of all time .. ! or ever ..



    I support ... Santos FC ... i'm almost ... 42 years old .. already .. ! nothing younger ..


    I'm a Older Guy .. !
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ....Edson Arantes Pelé ;; Ballon D'or ... that i agree totally ...



    1961 ... 1# Pelé
    1962 ...... 1# Pelé ...by season 2 # Garrincha .... or vice-versa ... 1# Garrincha ... 2 # Pelé .. 1 point ahead



    1963 .... 1# Pelé
    1964 ... 1# Pelé ..

    1965 ...... 1# Eusebio 2# Pelé ;;; or vice-versa .. 1# Pelé 2#Eusebio ..1 point ahead ...


    1970 ...1# Pelé .....2 # Jairzinho ... 1 point ahead .. !
     
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ...https://www.rsssf.org/players/prolific.html





    ...
    One team (all matches)
    Müller, Gerhard 1256 FC Bayern
    Tichy, Lajos 1245 Honved Budapest
    Helmchen, Erwin 1141+ PSV Chemnitz
    Pele 1089 Santos
    Bican, Josef 1045+ Slavia Praha
    Binder, Franz 989+ Rapid Wien








    Best Goalscorers All-Time (All Matches - Top level)
    NB: preliminary list containing:

    1. Official goals in top level;
    2. All international friendlies;
    3. National friendlies against top-league teams; tournaments; select matches.

    Pele 770 396 108 1274
    Bican, Josef 743 195 143 1081
    Puskas, Ferenc 761 179 71 1011





    One season (all matches – Top level)
    NB: preliminary list containing:

    1. Official goals in top level;
    2. All international friendlies;
    3. National friendlies against top-league teams; tournaments; select matches.

    Pele 1959 120 101(68/55, 42/36 Int, 4/4 sel, 6/6 ag. clubs)
    Willimowski, Ernst 1940-41 111 48
    Pele 1961 105 72
    Roberts, Frederick 1930-31 105 53
    Bambrick, Joseph 1929-30 103 60
    Pele 1965 103 74
    Kocsis, Sandor 1954 101 60
    Deak, Ferenc 1948-49 99 57
    Messi, Lionel 2012* 98 74
    Sarosi, György 1937-38 95 49
     
  23. moodiomemo

    moodiomemo Member

    sao paulo fc
    Jul 15, 2007
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #198 moodiomemo, Sep 17, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2024
    When i was young and i start to listen music ,i remember i liked a lot of guitar players as eddie van halen and my mind only feel that kind of guitar player(the fastest)
    I remember one time one old man (my father friend) show me something from garoto(brazilian guitar player and he plays in the carmen miranda band with her in USA) , laurindo de almeida, baden powell and i hated a lot(all melodic guys)
    When you getting older i realise that kind of musician i used to love when i was younger doesnt make more sense to me and guys like knoppler and gilmour i use to hate i realise had a wonderful legacy
    Today is only number , statistics, youtube, etc
    JImmy hendrix today will be a shit compared with slash or dimebag??? i believe not
    And Randy Roads? The coldplay guitar player had more legacy than him?(randy died young)
    I read a lot of forum and discussion and the main argument is NUMBERS? or MY OPINION????
    I fell sorry for youall knights of "shitmessi" because your generation rich of all kind of information but youall do not FEEL the game as the others generations used to do
    What the meaning of PELE and MARADONA have their legacy destroyed by NUMBERS???
    I Feel sorry because you all watch a kind of sport reduced to $$$$$$$$$$$$
     
  24. moodiomemo

    moodiomemo Member

    sao paulo fc
    Jul 15, 2007
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    BE A MAN AND RETURN MY QUESTION HERE
    HOW MANY TIMES YOU WATCH PELE PLAY ALIVE ON TV OR FIELD?
     
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  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ....yes ...Pelé is the best player Of all time .. ! or ever ..
     

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