Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion So the funding has been released. Is that pretty much it?
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion Basically, that's about it. Looks like they'll just be releasing that funding sooner.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion Having the money up front is better. The value of the money is less if you take into account the cost of capital of that money in the future. If they have the money now, they could put it in a fiduciary and earn interest on that.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion Exactly what I was thinking. I know we all want a stadium but if the deal keeps getting better and better for the people paying the bills I can understand waiting a bit .........
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion Who would have ever thought that it would be KC that would manage two municipalities and other groups to be fighting over who gets to build a soccer stadium. You guys are in a GREAT position.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion Let's just hope one comes through quickly, I have a sense that the fans' patience is wearing thin.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion I can be patient. This process obviously isn't easy (as DC and RBNY have discovered). I appreciate as always OnGoal's commitment to getting a stadium and keeping the team in town. That said, of course I hope the ceremonial shovel breaks through the snow by December 31!
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion I agree completely. Now, as for the die hards and the fans in the immediate area, maybe not. But with that said, the casual fan, and even the big soccer fans like myself (I live in Omaha roughly 3 hours away)...the only thing stopping me from making the trip is the lack of a real stadium. If and when they get one built, ill be makin the trip down on more than one occasion.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion When you are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars, you have no choice to be patient. No one should rush things when you are working with that much money. Not to mention, you are talking about a lot of jobs for either KCMO or KCK. While I want to see a groundbreakings, I also want this to work out in the best possible way for everyone involved. If that means waiting a little longer then so be it.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion I actually dont know how I feel about this. The first isntinct is to let the deals keep getting better and better as the competition to bring the stadium in gets stronger. Yet, now that I think about it, from a money standpoint it might almost be better to just take the already good deal you have now and run with it, especially if that means getting the stadium done maybe a season sooner. From what I understand, your attendance is stuck at capacity, meaning you sell out almost every game. Get the stadium done onee year sooner, you add 8000 to 10000 seats, at an average of lets just say $20 a seat, times say 18 home games...$2,880,000 to $3,600,000 increase right there. Not to mention any revenue caused by merch/concession/parking/sponsor/advertising increases with all those extra people. Plus revenue for holding concerts ect. Not to mention saving some of those burnt out fans from leaving because they are sick of waiting, as was said before. Also, because of the economy, building prices are at near all time lows, or they were at the hight of the recession. To me it just seems like you would have to expect the deal to get A LOT sweeter if you are really gonna drag this out much longer. I say just take what you got and go with it
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion and i forgot the addition of boxes. im not sure where the stadium plans are and if they include them or not. i remember seeing something about san jose creating a no frills fan friendly stadium...but corporate boxes ass BIG money to the revenue stream. ive never been to CAB, but im assuming there arent any boxes there, or at least not the kind the guys with loads of money are wanting.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion good point with all the jobs and the fact that they are in two different states could weight heavily...i just feel like this has been going on long enough. im starting to wonder how much the deals can really get better. it looks like KCK went all in with the last hand. I feel like KCMO is gonna fold, or bluff with no real hand. personally, im calling time on KCMO. their cards arent gonna change in the next few weeks or months. Time to throw down the cards and let the best hand take the pot.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion That's VERY interesting. More so this bolded part: People that do this sort of thing for a living will have to clarify, is this a big step? It seems to me you don't start taking bids until you have something finalized. Am I correct in that thinking or is it me?
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion Well the firms will bid, that doesn't mean the project is going to be awarded to any one of those bids if I'm correct. However in order to publish a RFP, especially for concrete for Foundations, you should have at least most of the stadium designs finalized. As I see it now, the deal is heavily inclined to the KCK stadium
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion Did anyone actually follow the bid documents link to view the blueprints?
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion I tried to but you have to create an account to do so ... at which point, as this is just for foundations I decided I wasn't that interested
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion Bids are due the 18th. I take that as a good sign that they want to review and select a company for that phase of the job fairly quickly.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion That is correct. The Owner usually reserves the right to award or not to award a contract based on the bids received. Not at all. In a fast track project, as this will probably be, the foundations are dependent on the loads imposed by the structure and the bearing capacity of the soil on which they rest. Final design is not necessary. If bids come in on or under budget on the 18th. We very well could be having a 2009 ground breaking.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion That picture came out when the deal out at the Legends was first announced, it's not new.
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion alright well thanks then. im not from the area. just take a big interest in stadiums expecially. havent seen anything since the trails renderings, which i loved by the way. but anyways, thanks for the info. i have to assume that the renderings should come out soon though, with bidding up and running right?
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion There will probably be more renderings eventually, but here are a few ones from around the same time the deal was announced originally. http://www.backpost.net/2009/09/new-stadium-layout-photos.html
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion very interesting. are those before or after the one i posted?
Re: "Close on Both": Wizards Stadium Discussion Around the same time, a little later, but they are very VERY rough renderings. The team at the time was just wanting renderings to put out for fans to see.