All I Do Is Vin Vin Vin - The Vinicius Jr. Thread

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  1. boeder

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    Another trash performance from 10x Junior..
     
  2. .halamadrid2.

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  3. fierro

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    Absolutely insane stats.






    Mr. Champions League the 2020’s edition.
     
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  4. fierro

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    Another assist and another PK won, can’t make them all but why do I have the feeling he missed on purpose kind of like a throw away PK where you want to “save” your best shot for a game you need a goal and not just stat pad in a game you are already comfortably winning.


    He did score 2 pk’s in a recebt gane so plenty of evidence he can do it, and do it well.



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  5. Hendrix22

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    I still remember many years ago how astonished I was when reading about how the Belgian colonial forces artificially created the division between Hutu and Tutsi in order to exploit Rwanda's resources. You know what happened later so you can extrapolate from that. Bottomline is races don't exist. Every human is the same race. Its a hoax imposed by those in power to make profit accumulation easier through divide and conquer. When capitalism ends, so will racism. Its not much of an original hot take tbh. Unfortunately most people are under the spell of centuries old propaganda and dont get it. Those "fighting" against racism within the confines of capitalism are doomed to fail because of their own historical illiteracy.
     
  6. laundromat

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    Jul 20, 2014
    You just know that Vini’s missed penalty is a massive consolation for some tonight. McNamaman even mentioned some negative murmuring in the stands too. But he wasn’t even bad tonight.

    But the commentators and pundits kept going on about how 4-0 would’ve been unsurmountable, but at 3-0 there is hope! You get the impression if the score was 4-0, and Vini had missed, they’d be talking about how 5-0 is insurmountable… but 4-0…

    Reminds me of how absolutely insane people got over one Endrick decision last year against Atleti.

    In fairness the miss bugged me disproportionately as well. I really wanted that cherry on top, and for it to be Vini.
     
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  7. Saeta Rubia

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    A friend of mine who's an RM fan said he was fine with 1-0 home win vs Bayern in 2014 because that might prompt us to play with same intensity in 2nd leg while I was frustrated about Ronaldo and Di Maria missing 1v1 in the first leg.

    He pointed out how badly we played at Dortmund in QF after winning 3-0 at Bernabeu and it was Casemiro cameo and Iker's saves that saw us through that night. Carlo also had a history of giving up 3 goal leads with Milan vs Deportivo in 2004 and in 2005 final vs Pool.

    We ended up playing amazing counter attacking game in the return leg at Allianz and won 4-0. I am hoping 3-0 instead of 4 tonight means we look for the early goal at Ethihad and get it to close the tie.
     
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  8. Seoul Villan

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    “assist!?” His pass was so poor it deflected off the City defender luckily into Fedes path.
     
  9. .halamadrid2.

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    2031835495781519496 is not a valid tweet id
     
  10. natenate101

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    Some of you are effing joyless. Lighten up.
     
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  11. Stiliyan

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    I would like to add that your opponent set up is quite different as well. When you are chasing 3+ goals deficit, you have basically only route - all in as you have nothing to lose. Whereas when you are down only 1 or 2 goals, you aren't risking much and play smarter until late in the game. That type of game is much more uncomfortable to deal with.

    A recent example that supports the idea that 4-0 is a much better lead than 3-0 is the Copa del Rey semifinals this year.

    Other relatively recent examples are the return legs against Juventus in 2018 and Chelsea in 2022. In those situations, you need truly special players - mentally strong enough to respond even after losing a big advantage. Thankfully, we had them. Plenty of them.
     
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  12. Ssr9

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    Counting on Vini to get the job done at the Etihad.

    Tibo said is best...."Vini could have scored...but then City could have scored after and it would be 4-1"

    I'm ecstatic with the 3 - 0 lol
     
  13. WhiteRM

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    With his assist to Fede yesterday, Vini climbed into the top 5 all-time assist leaders in the UCL. 14 of those assists have come in the knockout stages.
    He is now only one assist away from equaling Cristiano Ronaldo’s record for the most UCL knockout-stage assists, and two away from breaking it.


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  14. Excape Goat

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    Yes, it is not over. Please don't forget the 3-1 victory over Chelsea in Stamford bridge. Then, they went 3-0 up at Bernabeu before we forced an OT and Benzema scoring a winner.
     
  15. Aensensen

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    100%.

    We should show up and start seriously from the first minute. City has been pretty meh themselves, but an early goal by them can spell trouble.
     
  16. 4x4s

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    Nobody said he needs to tolerate anything, but even with "the tremendous amount of hardship he goes through" according to another member of the 1% society, it still doesn't compare to a DAY in the life of the average low income immigrant in Spain.

    Now, one thing is clear, if you go to Eden Hazard for social commentary, a person that grew well off away from any worry, this is what you get. Somebody who truly thinks having the ability to practically control the local economy with your salary, but having to face some disgusting insults a handful of times per season, is a terrible fate beyond imagination. Of course that's how he thinks because that's his story and his experience. That's how he and many others come into contact with this problem. By seeing it in what occupies 90% of their time. Football.

    Racism happens every minute of every day in a quiet manner. Either when searching for a home, employment, partnership or any other connection in a world that you're foreign in. Being kicked out of a doctor appointment because of a technical issue with comments like "you think you can come here and do whatever you want", cut so much deeper than a young fan that's a complete idiot - because the average person is defenseless, Vinicius has millions of Real Madrid fans behind him.

    Saying that whoever disagrees with Hazard feels like racism is justified, is a huge moron to me. Especially when the message is the opposite. We should be lazer focused on those that have to carry the heaviest burden, not the most publically visible one. But that is hard to do when you live in a bubble where you wear shoes once and throw them away after as many young football stars do.
     
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  17. Hendrix22

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    Unfortunately the hegemonic socioeconomic paradigm is in complete contradiction with this principle.
     
  18. Fuera del Juego

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    No one asked Eden Hazard for social commentary and he didn't give any. He literally says that when he talks to Vini it's more about things off the pitch, that he feels bad for him as he the racist abuse obviously affects him, and he knows that he's going to keep getting it as the league only pays lip service to stopping it.

    That's not social commentary. That is just relating conversations with a friend and the friend's feelings. He doesn't compare it to any other issues. Doesn't even tie it to social structure in anyway that's broader than just relating that the league hasn't been very proactive in stopping it. Which isn't really commentary.


    And you know what helps perpetuate racist beliefs/the belief that they can be acted on without consequence in a society? A public broadcast of one of the most prominent black members of society being racially abused with almost impunity. Or at least with few real consequences despite it taking place not just in public, but on television in front of about as many cameras as you're going to find anywhere in the world. Then you get commentators talking about how Vini provoked the treatment he received.

    Vini's treatment isn't separate from the racism being experienced by the immigrant searching for a home or going to the doctor. If people can act that way toward Vini with everyone watching and it literally recorded with few consequences, then the lesson to people outside the arena is that society tolerates that behavior. If that on camera behavior is fine, is society going to come down harder on more hidden racism behind closed doors? Not likely. And the justifications the commentators provide just get translated to new more domestic situations, basically like you're suggesting with the doctors office example. It's the immigrant's fault. It's the dark-skinned person's fault. Even if the same action by a person who looked different would be treated differently.


    Did anyone say this? Not that I saw.

    You said that racial abuse should not be a heavy burden for Vini because he's rich. That I disagree with. Some people can shake that type of thing off by telling themselves that their tormenters aren't worth their thoughts or just jealous. Others can't. Or refuse to. Vini seems to be in one of the second group and I don't think you can blame anyone for that. Vini was born into poverty in a Rio slum. He's now rich, successful and people are still calling him a monkey. You can't see how that would mentally affect someone? I've never heard Vini say that he suffers more than anyone in the world, just that the abuse hurts him. In his more contemplative moments, he links it to being a public face of others suffering the same abuse out of the public eye. In his less contemplative ones, he just seems sad and hurt.

    Who is "We" here? I agree that society should, yes. But the RFEF has one sphere of influence: football. They can't directly affect housing discrimination or what happens at a doctor's office. They can directly affect what happens in football stadiums around Spain - or at least the response to those events. They're not taking resources away from other programs and - as I described in the last part - they're doing the only thing they really can to ensure that racism is stigmatized in broader society. Saying that there should be a lazer focus on those with the heaviest burden just gives everyone without an obvious way to help them directly permission to do nothing. Which ends up translating - like it does her - into tacit general approval (or at least ambivalence).

    We saw what happened with the Real Madrid can who made the Nazi salute. He was identified, confronted by security within minutes, kicked out, and they immediately started proceedings to permanently ban him. If clubs/the league wanted to take more decisive action they could.
     
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  19. 4x4s

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    I don't know where being racially abused ranks in terms of "just leaving the sport all together because it's too much" rankings that Hazard apparently has access to.

    I would believe hardships unique to being a superstar athlete exist outside of the region of a regular person. Think of how many football player's families have been robbed at gunpoint in recent months.

    All things considered, the positives and blessings outweight the negatives and curses by a huge amount in Vini's life, but ultimately, it's his decision to quit the only thing that generates income for him or not because of them.

    Considering Vini plays for a club that doesn't stand out particularly positively in a social aspect, i would say his general interest in social issues is fairly limited. After Yamal was hurled tons of racist insults at the Bernabeu, i didn't see him confront the fans in any kind of way, but when they boohed him, oh boy did that get the cogs turning.

    End of the day these people don't identify with us. We're suckers to them. If you ask Yamal, he'll probably tell you Madrid fans are racist bastards. Your entire argument seems to base on "you're cosigning everything people do to him if you don't agree with me" which i'm exhausted of dealing with.

    As Omar El Hilali said, if you don't like living and playing in Spain, you can just leave, and that he would leave if he and his family wouldn't feel comfortable. And he was racially abused by an opponent recently.
     
  20. laundromat

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    Jul 20, 2014
    Another knockout UCL another 3 G/A for Vini. Meanwhile 4x4 out here writing manifestos.
     
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  21. .halamadrid2.

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    Could've gotten 5 goals tonight. That second goal spared him imo. Needs to finish better, practice one time shots etc
     
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  22. laundromat

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    Jul 20, 2014
    Easily his worst game of 2026 and he's already had some stinkers
     
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  23. .halamadrid2.

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    Must be a career total offside in one game. He is usually very good and timing his runs. Far too many offside today.

    Anyways ge got a MOTM. I dont quite agree with that but happy he got the last laugh against their fans.

    Need those finishing boots against Atleti in the weekend. They won't leave acres of space like City. They'll defend man to man.
     
  24. laundromat

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    Jul 20, 2014
    I thought he was okay as far as creating danger and shaping the identity of the attack, but too many blown chances, ball getting caught under his feet, offside, etc.

    If not for the missed chances I think he's fine. But he can't be missing so many.
     
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  25. Halycon

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    Vini creates a lot of danger, one of the best in the world if not the best in that aspect.

    But his finishing is your local amateur club level. If only his finishing was just decent we would be okay, but it’s garbage.
     
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