All I Do Is Vin Vin Vin - The Vinicius Jr. Thread

Discussion in 'Real Madrid' started by RM or None, May 23, 2017.

  1. Doni

    Doni Member+

    Dec 4, 2010
    London
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    You won’t ever catch Alaba not looking pedant.
     
  2. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  3. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    THIS IS LEADERSHIP.


    When the manager or club organizes a team dinner, players attend because it's cumpulsory.

    But when a player hosts a team dinner and everyone shows up - now you know who everyone will SHOW UP for.
     
    MadridOz and Aensensen repped this.
  4. Aensensen

    Aensensen Member+

    Croatia
    Jun 10, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Preach, brother.
     
    Nathanial Essex repped this.
  5. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I knew it. Glad there are statistics to prove it too.
     
    Lyra repped this.
  6. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    You need to compare them in context to players that play their position, not each other, by the way.

    It's like comparing a CB pass percentage to a winger, when the CBs mostly play safe transitional passes and come to the conclusion that Rudiger is a better passer than Guler.
     
    boeder and arcane repped this.
  7. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Jupiter
    Why would a ST who scores over a goal a game need to waste his energy to press more than a winger?
     
    W8W8 repped this.
  8. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Mbappe defends less than the average CF, but he's also used less in dead ball situations. A lot of traditional CFs become defensive header options in defense, with Mbappé we often use him as a slingshot counter initiator.

    I think people just look at the press numbers and it's a completely ineffective comparison. For example if you look at other teams, often the left and right wing player have vastly lopsided defensive duties, either because sometimes a winger is a serious offensive output provider, or because one flank has a defender that attacks a lot so the player in front of him drops back more often.

    Numbers are pointless without context especially in the third to fourth level with the first level being goals and assists in offense, stops, clearances and interceptions in defense. If you don't deliver production, I don't care how good you look under the surface, it's like a kitchen that constantly smells great but doesn't deliver any meals.

    I was looking at a prediction model somebody made the other day that predicts on whether a player is a a peachy form or actually improving based on comparing thousands of shot placement metrics over multiple years.

    Football is still creating all those systems that are already in place in other sports.
     
  9. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    For Vinicius the comparison is with the rest of the team which is criminally lazy and for Mbappe the comparison is with Messi at Barcelona. :ROFLMAO:

    Keep them statistical manipulations coming Lyra. Eventually people will see the light. As long as you compare the terrible with the utterly terrible, there is a chance;)
     
    W8W8, tain316, yoanaidarov and 1 other person repped this.
  10. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Do you have fhe stats for the rest of the team? Bet Vini is in the top 4
     
    Lyra repped this.
  11. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #13611 Lyra, Feb 12, 2026
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2026
    [​IMG]



    They were screaming they both stroll defensively. The moment data shows Vini actually works, suddenly the problem becomes the comparison and not the number. The only light anyone needs to see here is the one coming off the heatmaps they pretend not to read.


    If your model is 9 conserves energy, wide man does the donkey work, then stop painting Vini as this lazy passenger. You can not hammer him for effort nd then the second a stat torpedoes that narrative, invent a VIP clause for the guy who scores a goal a game.
     
    .halamadrid2. repped this.
  12. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Since he's this incredible assett and hard worker, i am sure clubs will be lining up to throw ungodly amounts of money at the club to secure his services.
     
  13. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Jupiter
    Maybe use some reading comprehension and understand what press more vs press adequately means.
     
    W8W8, tain316 and boeder repped this.
  14. boeder

    boeder Member+

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Raul-7 repped this.
  15. undertow

    undertow Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Nov 22, 2020
    It's crazy how people idolise a player who has given us nothing so far and disrupted the team play and yet continually hate on a guy who gave us two champions league titles and two ligas and the rest of it.

    A guy who we created as a Madridista and even played at Castilla, meanwhile a guy who rejected us for more monies and power time and time again.
     
    Ahmadi8 repped this.
  16. Galatico

    Galatico Member+

    Aug 15, 2019
    2 goals today. I hope it continues!

    VAMOS.
     
    Anon. repped this.
  17. Beowulf112

    Beowulf112 Member

    Real Madrid
    Croatia
    Jun 3, 2018
    Penalty goals..i wouldnt be to excited..he needs to earn new contract or Flo will transfer him in summer after WC
     
  18. Galatico

    Galatico Member+

    Aug 15, 2019
    Goals are goals man. Doesn't matter if they come from the spot or open play.

    He's trending upward, and we desperately need that.
     
    Anon. repped this.
  19. Akramzizou

    Akramzizou Member+

    Feb 13, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Best game this season, seemed very focused snd sharp.
     
  20. Spanos5

    Spanos5 Member

    Real Madrid
    Australia
    Oct 28, 2023
    He won the penalties with his own play, so not sure if calling them “penalty goals” is fair
     
    Anon., Serengeti_Boy and Galatico repped this.
  21. Aensensen

    Aensensen Member+

    Croatia
    Jun 10, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Definitely one of his better games this season. Workrate has been very good, and his form is looking solid. No hero-ball, just great teamwork. Let's see how long this lasts.
     
    Anon. and J-Mezzy repped this.
  22. Galatico

    Galatico Member+

    Aug 15, 2019
    It's not. He absolutely deserved those goals.
     
  23. boeder

    boeder Member+

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    One of his best halves. His decision-making, judgement and combining with the forwards were weak in 2H.
     
  24. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    Lewandowski had much better stats in that regard.
     
  25. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Robbed of a hattrick. Great game yet again
     
    Galatico repped this.

Share This Page