Let's not get over ahead of ourselves boyz. Let's wait a couple more games before we declare a player this or that this season.
Good goal and assist, but it's not like I was expecting Vini to get absolutely zero goal contributions. Let's see how he performs in the next few games. I got a feeling it's going to be the Vini we don't want.
I didn’t watch the whole cameo but his attitude was awful. Not sure who he’s gesturing to after the assist (Xabi? Oviedo Supporter?) but it wasn’t good, no reason to taunt these players or club considering their history about “going down to the 2nd division “. The dive for the yellow was poor and he was inconsistent with his effort. Glad he contributed but against a side like this, a goal and an assist tells me nothing at this point in the season.
Reminds of a time two 20-odd year olds were walking around thinking they were tough because they roughed up a boy in school uniform. I'm surrounded by people who behave in a way you genuinely want to put yourself in their shoes to see how it's possible to be so unaware/stupid. Usually those people are surrounded by idiots or literally have no one to tell them they are being a dick head. Vini is surrounded by people who must be constantly telling him to STFU but he still purists.
It’s crazy to think we should sell him without having a replacement in mind we are not that deep in attack. You don’t sell a player the caliber of Vini without a replacement and claim your goal is to win trophies We can argue whether we should pay him what he wants or not, I think not until he shows growth, but we need him and he is one of ours so we maintain hope that we see his best version once again
I don't think the drama of him being on the bench, him having an attitude that doesn't rub the fans the right way, etc. is worth it. Sell and find a replacement.
The replacement is already on the team. Mbappe playing through the left channel and signing a more robust CF is the better idea.
Right now Gonzalo doesn't deserve to have his panini sticker placed next to the other two, but i just don't think Haaland is a player that would join us and be just another guy, same issue we have with Vinicius. He has a contract longer than the trip to Mars. Completely unrealistic.
The funniest thing is the guy doesn't really want to leave, the gamble simply doesn't work. The club knows that. We'll pay him great looking numbers but i don't care about any threat.
So what's the veredict on Vini from yesterday? I was playing BF1 with my friends and watched the game on my phone without paying attention.
Rodrygo can do a few body feints, pout on the bench when he gets hooked, and gets praise. Vinicius comes in and decisively finishes the game for us but god forbid he shows anger and people respond by telling him to pack his bags. Surreal stuff.
He's the same player he was just months ago. At some point you want to see maturity. At some point making himself the center of attention is exhausting. Even his own team mate took a subliminal shot at him.
I mean people have been campaigning to sell Rodrygo all summer long. Also, it’s not uncommon for games like this to get blown out towards the end. The smaller team holds and holds and then the match ends up being 3-0. I am not saying that as a shot at Vini who was lovely and dangerous after his yellow, but just being fair with the scenario
You can feel like Vinicius is a fantastic player and still think that he makes the team a hard watch when he basically travels around the country giving everybody grief. At this point he doesn't even have 100%of the support at home. It's simply annoying.
For me its less him and more our own fans. Just tired of hearing our own fans disliking his attitude, so much so they deny his quality and somehow convince themselves we have better players on the bench. Whatever, just sell and be done with it.
Sincerely, if you felt yesterday's game and Vinicius was a hard watch, then perhaps I need to tune out of here. I was thrilled with how he responded to being benched, every minute we play I am growing in optimism at the teams tactical plan and the dominance we can exude. What did Vini do yesterday specifically for Madridista's to eat into the anti-Madrid discourse? People talk about him like he's injuring players or throwing punches? He shouted after scoring? He kissed the badge and pointed at his ear? What a criminal. The only thing that is a hard watch is the discourse in this thread. It’s like we look for anything to discredit him. The opponent, the time in the game, he didn’t put his head down and shut up and dribble
This is why I am a proponent of waiting a few games before executing our own players. Vini has been subpar for over a year and a game or two off the bench doesn't nullify that. But I'd still give him a couple more games to label him as leaning towards unsalvagable. I'm with my buddy 4x4s here, at some point the drama is just not worth it. He isn't CR7. As I've stated earlier, this a good time to hold on to Rodrygo for a bit to compete with Vini. The team doesn't have a proper CF to move Mbappe out to LW atm.
Is it good for us though? Like in the long run? Do we want our main attacker to be so emotion dependent when it comes to performances. At some point we need to see some maturity. I am not saying he should become a robot, he wouldn't be Vini without the emotion. He's not the first athlete who seems to need negative emotion and conflict to thrive, usually 1 of 2 things happens, they destroy their career early on by crossing the line with that emotion and then never recovering, or they eventually learn to harness it, Cristiano didn't start from the same point as Vini, having watched his career closely and then watching documentaries about his youth, he had issues controlling his emotions, like excessive crying as a teenager, lashing out when faced with failure etc. Now put this kid into a world where countless people hated him (just for being him not because he's a bad person) when he was breaking out, he could have become a lot like Vini is now or worse. But grown up Cristiano (he had Ferguson to teach him) learnt how to use people's dislike and anger towards him to perform and shut them up without jumping into the stands to fight them (not that vini did that). It didn't happen overnight but it did happen. I think we as an institution deserve some blame too. He has been with us since 18. The environment at the club surely has played a part in his mental development, such as it is for these teenage millionaires. Not everyone can grow out of it. We are all humans, we are not perfect. But we have to start seeing some signs that he's working on it. We have seen him become counter productive to his team out there before. I really like Vini the dude, i watched his documentary and came away thinking he seems like a good guy, sensitive guy who is big into his family, someone i would want in my friends circle. But most of us Madridistas aren't going to meet him or be friends with cool guy Vini off the pitch. We see him on the pitch, his actions on there define how we view him. Even with my homer bias i think the crowd treated him poorly for no reason yesterday until it set him off and he started gesturing. The hand gesture after the goal was intended for the ref not his own touchline. I am not gonna sit here and say Vini goes to these stadiums to start fights. There are really shitty people in the stands who cross the line and say racist things (this cannot be tolerated at all). But while we wait for the whole world to change, we can try to work on ourselves and become stronger so that the world can't hurt us.