Yes and no. Media wise and part of the fans he is getting a lot of pass for his poor performances because of the racial stuff. Yes he is getting criticized for his performances but not even close to past greats at times when they did better for club than country. Many say he could do better but mostly blame the team and tactics. This sort of benefit was not given to players in the past. And it feels at times from comments on social media, that some are more fans of the player and Madrid than the NT. Also, when Neymar acted out on the field, he got more criticized than Vini. Like yesterday where it looked like he went a bit overboard confronting the Venezuelan bench near the end of the game. Vini is also getting a pass here.
If you can find where i mentioned the Balon dOr, even once, you can feel free to point that out to me, i responded to a very specific post, but of course , you know that
I have no idea why you needed to insert Gavi into the argument when he was never mentioned either. He must be on your mind a lot I guess.
i inserted Gavi into the "discusiion" ( i don't have the time to argue with anyone on a message board) a long long time before the Balon dOr nonsense, based on the narrative that has been set about Vin and his "behaviour" on the pitch........he is on my mind when i read the narrative that supposedly defines Vin's behaviour, not ok for some, not a word about others.....keep up....or don't.....
I can see Vini coming into the WC 2026 as the reining Balon d' Or winner and having a handshake photo moment with Trump as the "leaders" in the fight against racism. I think it's entirely possible we watch Vini win the 26 WC (cue more pics with Trump) and I can also see Carlo taking over the Brazil job next summer if he doesn't continue in Madrid.
Seems like he finally sat down with a speech writer and practiced what he wanted to say and the message he wanted to deliver. Good for him because if he becomes as deadly with his words as he is with the ball it's game over for the haterz.
Is there another player thats this good at club level thats sucks so bad for national side? Vini Jr vs Uruguay:0 goals0 assists0 shots on target0 chances created0 crosses1/4 dribbles10 touches in box (most) pic.twitter.com/rv03ur6M2o— StatMuse FC (@statmusefc) November 20, 2024
Rodri. Spain was probably going to lose the Euro Cup final until he hit the bench and then Spain had that marvelous second half.
I can understand judging Vini for his performances in Brazil but we need to consider this Brazil team just sucks, I mean look at that first 11. Apart from that Vini is still young and has a ton of years on front of him to perform for the national team as well.
Maybe Brazil just sux becuase each time they appoint really bad coaches? Since Tite they assigned 3 coaches and each one of them is bad. maybe they just missing Neymar that the only title they won with him was the FIFA Confederations Cup at 2013.
Vinicius is an extremely good player but doesn't have the depth to massively change the way an average team plays, and to be fair, you could argue the same about Haaland who hasn't really pushed his national team forward despite showing that he's the same player on occasion, just like Vinicius. You can argue that the cases where this happens are very rare. I don't think that reflects negatively on the player in general, but it does offer a better perspective into the advantages of basically developing within a team vs being airdropped into one and being told to perform.
what he is doing in a Brazil shirt is embarassing he is historically bad ....the best attacking player in the world for the past 3 years looks like an amateur every time he plays for Brazil
They don't play through him as much as they should. Their system is more Raphinha oriented. He's also a confidence player, if the coach tells him this is your team, we put our trust in you to lead us, he will be more energized and focused. I don't see his underperformance for Brazil as his fault tbh.
The fact that I really have to stop and think about this shows you how few people it might be. Something to really think about. Especially Germany for example have been incredibly plug and play. A lot of player variance.
It's not about it being his fault, it's about him being utilized as a somebody with a clear purpose in Madrid vs somebody with a relatively open playbook with Brazil. Vinicius will not do everything for you but the three to four things he will do are at an elite level. Problem is these tools don't give Brazil much because isolating him is a much more efficient strategy there than it is in Madrid. We've reduced Vini down to his most highest quality assets in Madrid and created the space around that. You just don't have that luxury with a national team. It's like painting with 3 brushes and 4 colors compared to having the entire toolkit and color range at your disposal.
You don't have the same range to pick from, plus i do feel that with national teams you mostly get a coach that has a huge amount of pressure from the press, the media, and the football top brass in the federation to sort of have certain names fixed in the lineup. I don't think the national team games are a negative impact on Vinicius when it comes to Madrid, it just may be that he's not a player you throw into the lineup without a second thought and he magically works. He's also 24 so not yet at the peak of being fully aware of his impact on the game situationally and tactically. Even Cristiano got that one in his late 20s rather than early to mid 20s. He'll be fine for us, which is what matters first.
Obviously Mbappe. You take Vini out of the Brazil team and they are still not very good but you take Mbappe out of French team and they get 3 wins and a draw instantly going from overrated and underperforming to looking like world cup favorites.
I love Vini but Rodrygo and Endrick out scored him this year even with a shitty squad and manager. And both were either not called up at times or in Endrick's case getting peanuts in minutes and still scoring. To be fair, I genuinely think he'll eventually turn it around. I saw some stats that showed Vini at 24 had more goals/assists in the World Cup and Copa America than Messi did at the same age.