I mean. Imagine if Jokic was constantly telling the world how terrible America is. Yeah that wouldn’t bode well
Vini needs better advisors or PR people. He has positioned himself well to influence (much needed) change by becoming an icon of anti-racism. He didn't just accept being a victim, he decided to fight against it, and that takes balls and bravery. I don't care how you look at it, it's no small feat to turn it around like that. However, making such broad and sensationalist statements is not going to help his case. It opens himself up to opposition counter-attacks. First of all, Spain will not lose its hosting rights. Simply because then pretty much no country in the world will be eligible to host anything. Besides, has Vini forgotten about Qatar world cup already and how FIFA and football fans around the world didn't give a fk about any of the horrific human rights violations taking place before, during and after the WC? Didn't he himself PLAY in that world cup? That right there is enough for a skilled journalist to completely embarrass him if they wanted to at a presser. Hell, even I could roast him and make him eat his words if I was given a chance on a mic. I'd attack his integrity, pit his words against him and spin him around until he got dizzy. It would be light work. Let alone for somebody who's a professional journalist. Vini is in a unique position where he can influence change through his words now - that's why he should never get carried away when talking about this subject. His statements have to be measured and well prepared, and that can't happen if you don't have a team. If he's not careful, his message and his fight will be made obsolete by attacks to his own integrity and persona. It's much easier to destroy a person publicly than their message.
I think there is more context to what he said, and chiringuito took that nice segment to create controversy. I don't understand why our players both criticize and take part in this show at the same time.
Well said. Vini is just a kid who is not nearly educated enough to be an authority on a topic that requires a lot of education. Usually when your intentions are good but actually you have no idea what youre doing you end up making more damage.
He's kind of right though because the same breath that says Madrid is a wonderful city and a great place to raise a family says it has to change otherwise it's not fit to host a world cup. Vinicius has his heart at the right place but he's a football player not a diplomat, so the wording needs work. That's where parasites like chiringuito latch on and generate content for weeks.
I was reading some Vini threads on Brazilian football subreddits. One of them contained a video from last season's game against Bayern where the Bayern player hands him the ball and he deflects it to let it drop followed by some other stupid shenanigans by Vini. That also doesn't help his cause. Not even Brazilian people like him very much. Most Brazilians are kind of sick of this Brazilian "malandro" way anyway. His fight against racism is valid, but his behavior on the pitch is pathetic sometimes. It's actually funny how different Vini behaves when we are losing and when we are winning. Don't think many madridistas would love and stand up for him so fiercely if he wore different colors. He's a great player, but charisma is part of turning yourself into a legend, and not everyone is Cristiano to be a petulant bitch and still become one.
Cristiano became whatever he became by being unrealistically great at football. We're kind of seeing him now and get a chuckle out of it, but if you see him in his prime with us you think the footage is doctored, a once in a lifetime athlete. Nothing about Cristiano should be the standard or the bar if we're honest.
That's exactly my point. You can be a bitch if you are Cristiano Ronaldo. If you are Vini Jr., tone down the bitchness a bit, you are JUST A KID compared to CR7.
Yeah ... but he has to also realize that calling for the WC to be moved because things are so bad while saying it's also the best place for him to live isn't going to sound right.
Look at the end of the day I love Vini and I stand with him on his fight. My son is black and has autism so trust me that I stand against any type of discrimination but if I was Spaniard and he is saying my country shouldn’t host a World Cup and constantly making it sound like my country is so bad, I would be upset.
I don't think he does, because he speaks from his heart, this isn't something he prepared for. He's a regular person that would work a regular job, we all contradict ourselves and speak nonsense all the time. That's where being a politician or a public speaker nowadays becomes hard work. His life has been to choose where to pass and shoot, not what exact words to put into what exact sentence. I understand it's hard to say "he didn't mean it like that" when he speaks on CNN, but i think that's the best way to say it.
I mean, not for nothing but Vinny isn’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. He probably didn’t finish high school and asking him to think critically with complex answers around these topics is a bar he’s never going to clear. He should have a better team around him to keep him on message and stick to the bullet points they feed him and route his support to his organization/charity. I think the issue with him the lines are blurred where he does stupid things and antics on the pitch to wind up his opponents and then acts completely justified when they pull racist chants on him. if he let his game do the talking and do the above with keeping on message, he’d have a lot more credibility for this issue.
When Vini is winning this stuff doesn't happen. When he's struggling that's when all of this behavior comes out.
If Jokic were to claim America is terrible because of its immigration policies, then he coud be a liberal media darling and half the country would support him. If Jokic were to claim America is terrible and Trump needs to Make It Great Again, then he could be a speaker at the next MAGA rally and the other half of the country woudl support him.
He really needs to stop feeding into the "victim" role. It's one thing to bring attention to a problem, and he should. However, he's taking it way too far... to the point where he's contradicting himself. If Spain is such a horrible place, he should leave Real Madrid first. Once he does that, then he has a case at least when he states that the World Cup should be taken away. As it stands, it looks like he's talking from both sides of his mouth.
Nothing wrong in Vinijr comments , the disease need a harsh medicine then it should be, how many times we see racism from Spanish clubs something it is too harsh and most of time it look that racism has no limit or end, did FA or Lilaga try to stop it i do not think so
i would also upset when my country is not doing enough to stop racism. in fact it is doing all that to encourage more racism. - how many people would have forgot the Atletico fan disturbingly hung a mannequin wearing the shirt of Real Madrid forward Vinicius Junior off a bridge in the Spanish capital
In which "non racist" country do you propose to move the WC? Because such a country doesn't exist. And thats one of the problems with Vinicius' antiracism philosophy, that he approaches the issue from a country perspective when its a systemic ideological and sociological phenomenon. Eventually he was always going to say something ignorant and come off ridiculous, harming the very cause he claims to be dedicated to.
I have yet to visit a country where racism doesn’t exists doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be addressed, highlighted, or fought. Just that constantly talking about it as a Spain issue is wild and I can see how people would grow tired of it
What a dumba$$ The only thing worse than the injuries during the FIFA/UEFA virus weeks is players opening their mouths..especially the Brazilians
There is plenty of racism in America, yet the idea of large sections of a crowd making monkey noises at any black player in any sport here is literally unfathomable (there was a scandal making national news a couple years ago when a single student fan at highly conservative college was accused of shouting racist words at a female volleyball match, leading to a full investigation by the college and even that ended up not even being true). It should utterly condemned without a modicum of hesitation or an implied, "Eh, they're Spaniards, what can ya do?". This thread has far too much whataboutism, implied "two wrongs make a right", and allowing perfection to be the enemy of the good. Also, most of you are glossing over the first part of the sentence, "If things don't improve.." -- that is not at all the same as actually calling for the World Cup taken away from Spain. Even without a single additional intentional effort to reduce racism, I'm sure things will "improve" in the next 6 years, even if only slightly and naturally. It is not a shocking way for an activist to phrase criticism. Imagine a manager telling his team, "If you don't improve, you'll be bottom of the table" and the players complaining, "The manager thinks we are the worst team in the league and wants us to play in the second division!" Spain should feel humiliated if any of those monkey chants are heard from the hosts on the international stage, six years from now.
🗣️ Dani Carvajal: “Vini said the players will walk off when racially abused? Yes, it makes sense to leave the field until those who abuse are removed.” pic.twitter.com/73JEl1sYBR— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) September 4, 2024 🗣️ Dani Carvajal: “Vini Jr.’s statement? We are against racism and I know what Vinicius is suffering and we support him internally and publicly.” pic.twitter.com/nx1srlNK7Q— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) September 4, 2024